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You guys are forgetting that obd1 blocks came with oil squirters. They shoot directly under the pistons and are perfect for turbo apps. Also, all the older 4 bangers (9a, pre 94, PL, PG, etc..) all came with forged cranks rather than cast. That is where the potential hides. As for datalogging with Tec3.... i've never worked with an obd2 ford setup, but the TEC3 unit in my heap doesn't have the best logging. Though, as long as i can see my A/F vs Timing then i'm pretty content with it ... just want more !
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Originally Posted by Caan
You guys are forgetting that obd1 blocks came with oil squirters. They shoot directly under the pistons and are perfect for turbo apps. Also, all the older 4 bangers (9a, pre 94, PL, PG, etc..) all came with forged cranks rather than cast. That is where the potential hides. As for datalogging with Tec3.... i've never worked with an obd2 ford setup, but the TEC3 unit in my heap doesn't have the best logging. Though, as long as i can see my A/F vs Timing then i'm pretty content with it ... just want more !
Forged cranks and oil squirters are great if you already got them, but I wouldnt lose sleep over not having them. I ran over 20psi of boost constantly on my 1.8L 8v with a cast crank and no oil squirters for a long time.. And yes, you can build a 1.8 with a cast crank...
As for the Ford OBDII, I can datalog about 100 different items(simultaneously) plus the output of my wideband as a spare channel.
I wish they would come out with something similar for VWs....
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I tried to stay away from this thread, but the urge is just too powerful. Why do people keep bringing up Ford OBDII? Do you think anyone would put a Ford engine management system in to a VW for a VW motor? Why even bother mentioning it? Also, I'm not going to waste my time trying to find back to back dyno charts showing OBDI vs. OBDII VR 12v's.
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I just brought it up to mention that IF the VW aftermarket has their shit together(like the Ford, GM and Dodge aftermarket), that OBDII is an easier platform to tune....
I cant help it that for some reason VW "tuning" companies are in the dark ages.....But hopefully that soon wont be the case.
But, as for would anyone put a Ford management system on a VW, why yes..... My friend did, I did, and have another friend who WAS going to do it until I seemed to have talked him into a standalone(since standalones have come down in price). Arent you glad you went there Thats almost 3 ppl in the Tampa area alone.
Not everything needs to be prefabbed with an aftermarket name on it to work....
I cant help it that for some reason VW "tuning" companies are in the dark ages.....But hopefully that soon wont be the case.
But, as for would anyone put a Ford management system on a VW, why yes..... My friend did, I did, and have another friend who WAS going to do it until I seemed to have talked him into a standalone(since standalones have come down in price). Arent you glad you went there
Thats almost 3 ppl in the Tampa area alone.Not everything needs to be prefabbed with an aftermarket name on it to work....
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Actually, it does make me glad. Now I have learned something new. I did know that there was hardly a difference between a large amount of chrysler and vw 4 cyl. cranks, but did not know that a ford obdII management system was applicable. Cool! Glad it's workin out. On a side note with my personal opinion, I would prefer to go with something like Tec3(don't like the $2k tag) or Digifant when I put the lysholm on. I would like to keep as much OEM as possible, but I would also like to unleash the most amount of hp/tq possible. What are your thoughts? My plan is to run a 95.5 crank, with 83.5 or 84.5 pistons and the lysholm at 22psi. I was planning on running the digi off a G60 and a custom GIAC chip for the increased displacement and boost. Lysholm 16v's are sweet!
Now I have learned something new. I did know that there was hardly a difference between a large amount of chrysler and vw 4 cyl. cranks, but did not know that a ford obdII management system was applicable. Cool! Glad it's workin out. On a side note with my personal opinion, I would prefer to go with something like Tec3(don't like the $2k tag) or Digifant when I put the lysholm on. I would like to keep as much OEM as possible, but I would also like to unleash the most amount of hp/tq possible. What are your thoughts? My plan is to run a 95.5 crank, with 83.5 or 84.5 pistons and the lysholm at 22psi. I was planning on running the digi off a G60 and a custom GIAC chip for the increased displacement and boost. Lysholm 16v's are sweet!
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Originally Posted by mrnicejetta
Actually, it does make me glad. Now I have learned something new. I did know that there was hardly a difference between a large amount of chrysler and vw 4 cyl. cranks, but did not know that a ford obdII management system was applicable. Cool! Glad it's workin out. On a side note with my personal opinion, I would prefer to go with something like Tec3(don't like the $2k tag) or Digifant when I put the lysholm on. I would like to keep as much OEM as possible, but I would also like to unleash the most amount of hp/tq possible. What are your thoughts? My plan is to run a 95.5 crank, with 83.5 or 84.5 pistons and the lysholm at 22psi. I was planning on running the digi off a G60 and a custom GIAC chip for the increased displacement and boost. Lysholm 16v's are sweet!
Now I have learned something new. I did know that there was hardly a difference between a large amount of chrysler and vw 4 cyl. cranks, but did not know that a ford obdII management system was applicable. Cool! Glad it's workin out. On a side note with my personal opinion, I would prefer to go with something like Tec3(don't like the $2k tag) or Digifant when I put the lysholm on. I would like to keep as much OEM as possible, but I would also like to unleash the most amount of hp/tq possible. What are your thoughts? My plan is to run a 95.5 crank, with 83.5 or 84.5 pistons and the lysholm at 22psi. I was planning on running the digi off a G60 and a custom GIAC chip for the increased displacement and boost. Lysholm 16v's are sweet!Personally Id go somewhere in the middle of the road between the Digifant and the Tec. As for your crank choice and all, I cant remember off the top of my head what the stock bore sizes are and strokes, but Id say just keep it simple and work on making the forced induction part as best it can be. Im a big fan of using whatever you happen to have for a crank and rods, even pistons if you can use them. Getting into different cranks and stuff ends up costing alot of money for minimal gain...
If you already got a 16V, Id contact a piston company about getting some slightly lower comp pistons for it. If you do the work yourself and design your own turbo piston, you can call a company that doesnt necessarily cater to the VW market and get em for less. Wiseco, JE, etc usually will make a piston for 75-80 each. Id then just reuse the rods and crank you got.
22psi? Damn, I didnt know lysholms could go that high. Im not much of blower guy, I've always been into turbos. Cheap, and get the job done extremely well. Rado Digifant is a good low cost injection system that works really well, I wont knock it. If you got an 8V they are great to get a turbo or charger on your car and not blow it up and not run you poor. But on the other hand, Im just havent gotten that great feeling from the VW chippers out there which makes a difference if you are wanting to make some really serious power. Maybe when one pounds out 500hp on a 4 cylinder with a chipped ECU I might change my tune. If the car is OBDI, and I was considering a decent amount of mods, I would just bite the bullet and go standalone. If the car is OBDII I am a little more hestitant to go standalone since the ECUs control more and more of the cars operation as time goes on. Something like my Golf I would chip, but I dont plan on a turbo any lifetime soon with the car, I like it running
Like I mentioned, there is some room between the Digi and a Tec. I have really grown to like the Haltechs. Im actually selling the one off my GTI for $650 so I can fund one of the current projects and in the future upgrade to one of their new ones..
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Originally Posted by Caan
Correct me if i'm wrong, but ford components have bosch roots... right? I mean, i use a mustang o2 sensor to tune my vrt
Until the factory started putting widebands on passenger cars, they were all the same. You could have left your VW O2 on there, got one from a GM, Toyota, whatever.
