Power Adders Technical discussion related to Turbos, Superchargers and Nitrous Oxide
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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by TheShow50h
If they don't level the playing field then everyone will be using turbos, what fun would that be?

I agree, but they keep limiting the inlet size. that's not the way to do it. I say make if fair, then run what ever size turbo you want.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 07:24 AM
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I don't think the intercooler its self is a power adder, just how its cooled.

there's no trade off with using dry ice. and its an outside source, which makes it a adder to power.

now a big air to air, hanging off the front. there would be loses due to aero and psi drop because of the size needed to cool the amount of air there pushing thru. and you didn't just introduce a 2nd source of power........I.e., dry ice. even with just water you would need a heat exchanger in the wind some where.
I agree with you. Another thing I thought about over the weekend that would settle this pretty quick. Would someone in a naturally aspirated class be allowed to use some sort of igloo cooling box with ice water/dry ice to super cool the air as it enters the motor? Probably not, logically, that would make it a power adder
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 07:36 AM
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Two turbo's is like saying two kits of nitrous is two power adders. Quit whining. And saying a liquid to air intercooler is a power adder is like saying that a fuel cooling cell is also a power adder.

Plain and simple Nitrous is a power adder and a turbo is a power adder. I don't care if youre running 4 turbo's or if your just running 4 kits. It's still one damn power adder. If you are running nitrous and a turbo then it's two power adders. Quit bitching cause boost > nitrous.
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Originally posted by BigBadBuick
I agree with you. Another thing I thought about over the weekend that would settle this pretty quick. Would someone in a naturally aspirated class be allowed to use some sort of igloo cooling box with ice water/dry ice to super cool the air as it enters the motor? Probably not, logically, that would make it a power adder


hmmmm......


i agree. i think they would out law that in a sec. and if not, you may have just come up with the next big thing in the n/a classes...lol
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by 4drwhore
Quit bitching cause boost > nitrous.


no, boost cooled to below outside air temps by a 2nd/outside source. (i.e. dry ice) > nitrous.


nitrous > boost without an igloo




and don't pull the E hardass shit, I don't give a fuck because I don't race in either class. I was just bringing up a question for the few here that know/care.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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Technicall it might be allowed. It wouldn't be a power adder more as a power "releaser".
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by ???
there would be loses due to aero and psi drop because of the size needed to cool the amount of air there pushing thru.
Boost drop is not a negative result caused by the size of an intercooler, it is an unavoidable result that occurs when you cool air thus making more of it fit into the same physical space. If a water to air cooler is cooling charge air better than the air to air cooller, there would be more boost drop. Its irrelevent in this argument, although I think the aerodynamic argument is solid.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by ???
hmmmm......


i agree. i think they would out law that in a sec. and if not, you may have just come up with the next big thing in the n/a classes...lol
I'm sure it would have already been done if there was a way to bend the rules. The shitty thing is, before I ever had anything fast, I had a friend with a 5.0, I kept telling him we should make some sort of box to go between his mass air and throttle body, put one or two tranny coolers in it and pump ice water through them. His car was N/A, so it probably wouldn't have made a huge difference, but he just figured it would restrict the air flow and laughed at the idea. About three years later, vortech came out with their ice water/cooler deal. If I ever come up with anything again, it's straight to the patent office
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 04:04 PM
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Last time I checked, there wasn't anything keeping Musi from building a twin turbo combination.

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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 04:24 PM
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yea but you gtotta remember the age old rule, colder the intake air, better the performance, i mean what the hell do ytou think nitrous is doing
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