"The unsettled debate nitrous "
"The unsettled debate nitrous "
Ok now I figured we could argue lol in more detail? maybe with facts pictures ect...
I think this is a good topic to understand what is what reason being I mean come on I am sitting back waiting for someone to prove me wrong.Until then the thread should stay open!!!! lol I hope UNLESS we have fuktards with sars lol ruin it .
Now back on to the subject ..... I wanna know why people think nitrous is compressed into the motor or FORCED as they say , I mean yes it is not there natrually but doesnt that make it a power adder not a forced upon induction?
I think this is a good topic to understand what is what reason being I mean come on I am sitting back waiting for someone to prove me wrong.Until then the thread should stay open!!!! lol I hope UNLESS we have fuktards with sars lol ruin it .
Now back on to the subject ..... I wanna know why people think nitrous is compressed into the motor or FORCED as they say , I mean yes it is not there natrually but doesnt that make it a power adder not a forced upon induction?
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Forced induction means that the air pressure inside the intake manifold is higher then normal atmosphere perssure (14.7psi?). Adding N2O doesn't cause this to happen.
Bascally durring the intake stroke, in a four stroke motor this the difference: for non-forced (N/A) induction, when the intake valve opens nothing happends until the piston moves down "pulling" the air/fuel mixture into the cylinder. for a forced induction motor as soon as the intake valve opens the air/fuel mix is "pushed" into the cylinder by the turbo/supercharger.
N2O does nothing to push or pull the air/fuel mixture into the cylinder so it has nothing to do with forced or N/A induction.
Bascally durring the intake stroke, in a four stroke motor this the difference: for non-forced (N/A) induction, when the intake valve opens nothing happends until the piston moves down "pulling" the air/fuel mixture into the cylinder. for a forced induction motor as soon as the intake valve opens the air/fuel mix is "pushed" into the cylinder by the turbo/supercharger.
N2O does nothing to push or pull the air/fuel mixture into the cylinder so it has nothing to do with forced or N/A induction.
N2O and FI both increase horsepower by raising cylinder pressures.
FI does this by mechanically boosting the air flow into the engine. In other words positive manifold pressure. The intake charge is ultimately measured in atmospheres of pressure. The appropriate amount of fuel is added and then burned in the cylinder.
How does this increase power? Everyone should be aware of the effect that altitude ,and more importantly the DA, affect the internal combustion engine. High altitude has air that is less dense with less O2 to support the combustion process, less fuel is added and less power is produced. Sea level in combination with cool dry air and high barometric pressure can provide an effective Density Altitude below sea level allowing more fuel to be added and more power to be created.
FI uses this same principle. Boosted manifold pressure provides a denser charge of air to allow more fuel to be burned and more power.
The atmosphere is composed primarily of Nitrogen (78%) and Oxygen (21%). Nitrogen is primarily inert in the combustion process but since it contibutes 78% of the intake chage adds chamber pressure when compressed. The 21% portion that is Oxygen is ideally used with the fuel in the combustion process.
Nitrous Oxide (N2O) does not add pressure to the intake charge. Yes it is stored in a pressurized container as a liquid. When introduced to the incoming air the pressure is equalized and the N2O boils off to it's gaseous state. This has the benefit of absorbing heat energy from the intake charge and providing a cooling and drying effect. The air in the intake charge along with the N2O which is now a gas at atmospheric pressure is then drawn into the cylinder with added fuel, not forced in. The beauty all occurs in the cylinder with the valves closed. On the compression stroke the N2O molecule is cracked under heat and pressure into 2 components. An inert N2 of two Nitrogen atoms and the O of a single oxygen atom which is searching desperately for something to bind with.
We have now achieved higher chamber pressures with additional Nitrogen added to the mixture and added unstable single atoms of Oxygen to bond with additional fuel. The effect is the same inside the cylinder as with FI resulting in more power being produced.
Mechanical boost Vs. Chemical boost, it's all good.
FI does this by mechanically boosting the air flow into the engine. In other words positive manifold pressure. The intake charge is ultimately measured in atmospheres of pressure. The appropriate amount of fuel is added and then burned in the cylinder.
How does this increase power? Everyone should be aware of the effect that altitude ,and more importantly the DA, affect the internal combustion engine. High altitude has air that is less dense with less O2 to support the combustion process, less fuel is added and less power is produced. Sea level in combination with cool dry air and high barometric pressure can provide an effective Density Altitude below sea level allowing more fuel to be added and more power to be created.
FI uses this same principle. Boosted manifold pressure provides a denser charge of air to allow more fuel to be burned and more power.
The atmosphere is composed primarily of Nitrogen (78%) and Oxygen (21%). Nitrogen is primarily inert in the combustion process but since it contibutes 78% of the intake chage adds chamber pressure when compressed. The 21% portion that is Oxygen is ideally used with the fuel in the combustion process.
Nitrous Oxide (N2O) does not add pressure to the intake charge. Yes it is stored in a pressurized container as a liquid. When introduced to the incoming air the pressure is equalized and the N2O boils off to it's gaseous state. This has the benefit of absorbing heat energy from the intake charge and providing a cooling and drying effect. The air in the intake charge along with the N2O which is now a gas at atmospheric pressure is then drawn into the cylinder with added fuel, not forced in. The beauty all occurs in the cylinder with the valves closed. On the compression stroke the N2O molecule is cracked under heat and pressure into 2 components. An inert N2 of two Nitrogen atoms and the O of a single oxygen atom which is searching desperately for something to bind with.
We have now achieved higher chamber pressures with additional Nitrogen added to the mixture and added unstable single atoms of Oxygen to bond with additional fuel. The effect is the same inside the cylinder as with FI resulting in more power being produced.
Mechanical boost Vs. Chemical boost, it's all good.
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1996 Corvette CE coupe LT1/A4
Mostly stock
1998 Camaro
Z28 badges and dual exhaust tips
Last edited by Half Fast; 10-19-2003 at 04:35 PM.
Most nitrous kits on carburated engines are injected using a plate, mounted just below the carb, it is usually ½" thick, and has 2 brass bars which have many holes in them (One is for nitrous, the other injects more fuel, that will be explained later). The nitrous has 2 solenoids, one is fuel, the other is for N2O. When you hit the nitrous button, it opens the solenoid alowing the fuel to pass through one, and the N20 to pass through the other, this mixture is then pulled into the combustion chamber.
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