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Old Aug 13, 2003 | 08:35 PM
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and its just not the clutch you will have to worry about. ACT will do fine. You will have to look into a new gear set for your tranny. Or a race built tranny. I dont know a whole lot about who you can get a tranny from. Maybe someone else on here will, or do your own research.
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Old Aug 13, 2003 | 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by PoppaSmurf
but if the T25 from the MP turbo is interchangable with the T25 from a DSM, you SHOULD be able to mount up some of the hotness DSM specialty turbo's such as 16G's, 20G's, PTE's, FP's....

mmmm FP green goodness...

id take a red too!
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by 722ish
mmmm FP green goodness...

id take a red too!

i heart FP red...or....dare i say it...FP30!!
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Old Aug 15, 2003 | 04:28 PM
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internals should be addressed, but your number one concern is the tranny.

mazda uses the same tranny from the regular protege, and kept the power down to protect it.
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Old Aug 17, 2003 | 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by psifactor
and its just not the clutch you will have to worry about. ACT will do fine. You will have to look into a new gear set for your tranny. Or a race built tranny. I dont know a whole lot about who you can get a tranny from. Maybe someone else on here will, or do your own research.
what if i get the gear's cryo-treated "i don't know how to spell"
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the labor to disassemble, cryo and reassemble will be astronomical. cryo treatments are nto cheap. i dont think youre tranny is the weakest link in this case. im assuming you do not have the factory turbo model, but rather the stock protoge with a kit. the block, being cast iron is a great block. the pistons and rods on the other hand, being factory mazda, are weak. now if it is the turbo model, you have alittle bit more chance of surviving, but at 13psi, that turbo is going to put out fire for air temps. i suggest running a nice t3/t4 combo with lower boost and good, spot on tuning. but even with a perfect tune, cylindr pressures are cylinder pressures and the internal will give way no matter what once their horsepower limit is achieved.
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Originally posted by Taylor Durden
the labor to disassemble, cryo and reassemble will be astronomical. cryo treatments are nto cheap. i dont think youre tranny is the weakest link in this case. im assuming you do not have the factory turbo model, but rather the stock protoge with a kit. the block, being cast iron is a great block. the pistons and rods on the other hand, being factory mazda, are weak. now if it is the turbo model, you have alittle bit more chance of surviving, but at 13psi, that turbo is going to put out fire for air temps. i suggest running a nice t3/t4 combo with lower boost and good, spot on tuning. but even with a perfect tune, cylindr pressures are cylinder pressures and the internal will give way no matter what once their horsepower limit is achieved.
it is a factory turbo model, however, they also use the same bottom end as the non turbo, which kinda sucks
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i know a guy that work's in prop's and he get's what ever the gas is called to cryo-treat thing's he treat's him and his buddy's gun barrel's he would give me a good price that's why i said that but he's not a mechanic so taking the transmission apart would be my problem.but that's not work i'm willing to do right now just a suggestion do you think it will be worth the work?
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for now just put some redline in there and hope for the best. In the mean time save up some money for a complete rebuilt. And treat it right!!! that will be one of the most important things.
Dont treat it like your driving some beefy v8 tranny.
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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 07:05 AM
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you dudes are funny..

the MSP is a stock protege w/ a Callaway cars turbo kit... its a full T25, not a DSM style.. the 2G DSM has a T25 compresssor side and CHRA but a DSM exhaust housing... just like the FP30 is a Garrett GT30, only w/ a proprietary-cast exhaust housing especially for the DSM manifolds...

but the GT25 that Callaway used for the MSP is actually a full Garrett turbo, and has a T2 exhaust housing, and its bottom mounted on a slight angle... its twisted a little; the exhaust side is farther away from the block than the compressor is. so the MSP has a Protege DX/LX/ES motor w/ the stock NA pistons and spindly rods. and it has the stock Tranny.. which means the tranny has narrow, weenie gears that will strip if you have too much torque... and synchros that will grind into powder if you shift too hard/fast. the car can make more power, but is limited to protect the dealer from excessive warranty work on the tranny. Just like the Duramax Diesels that GM has... they are capable of WAY more power than they are rated at... but dont have an auto-tranny taht is economically viable to handle the torque the motor is capable of... so they keep the power low to avoid breakage.

the down side of the MSP is that it would need a full rebuild and tranny rebuild, clutch and turbo to hang w/ a "normal" turbo car. it cant handle the extra air flow. those pistons wont last for long under high boost either... they will end up w/ cracked ring lands and what not... and excessive detonation will also cause the rod bearings to get hammered away too.

anyhow... the MSP is a great car for what it is... and its great looking. its a well balanced, all around great car... it doesnt do one thing particularly great... but it does everything pretty well. thats just what Mazda does... the FD didnt have gobs of power, but it made great use out of the 255HP that it did have... and the MX5 Miata doenst have as much power as a B16 but its ultra light and handles like a dream... Mazda just builds well balanced cars and doenst focus on one aspect.

id keep the MSP relatively stock, and BPU it at the most... and then buy a DSM or something to make crazy power with. or, if youre a mazda-only guy, get an FC. you can make 350 HP easily w/ a rotary... but its gona cost you about half as much as your MSP retailed for. but, 350HP in a 2600 lb car, will fly. in fact, i think ill build me one.
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