sr20 NOS hoe

It has been discused on this forum and others many times but...
An arguement broke out between me and my friend w/ a b15, he says the b15 is better I say the b13-14 is better mostly because of the sr20. He said hell no my car is better so we raced and I whooped his ass... more than once... even from down low where the spec V has its "advantage". Of corse he goes on to say that his car is not a prime example of a N/A spec V soooo...
Im looking for a "prime example" of a all motor spec V to race a all motor B14.
Anyone wanna step up and prove me wrong???

bender

B15 Spec-V has better stock suspension than the B13 or B14 SE-Rs. SR20 is definitely a better motor for getting power but a stock Spec-V QR25DE will beat a stock B13-B14 SR20DE, there is a huge power difference there. What is your definition of a "prime example" N/A Spec-V? I have a stock 2005 Spec-V, I'll race you if I ever visit my brother in Tampa.

osama tim laden

im sorry. but the b13 suspension is far better than the b15.
b14 is shitty. but id still prefer a clean b13, or b14 out of the bunch.

Epstein

haha. Where's Norlandt? You forget that B15's also came with the SR20.

By the way, how is this a Tech question? I think you're looking for General Car Chat or War Stories.

RubberBerner

B15's (spec-V) are quicker stock for stock...mainly in part for the close ratio 6-speed, and probably handle better just by pure technology (over 10 years newer technology). If you're gonna mod it all up...the Spec-V has the advantage with the extra half liter on the SR, but the B13 has a hand up in the weight department...i think you can get a B13 to look more together, and go faster for cheaper. But the interior of the B15 is far superior Stock for stock. Decent Seats...decent stereo...But then again...you can find a SpecV B15 for $12,000 and you can find a B13 for $2000.

lilzaneboy69

um.....yeh....bout the "If you're gonna mod it all up...the Spec-V has the advantage with the extra half liter on the SR," comment is far from true. The SR has alot more potential then the QR mainly becuase of the bottom end. SR bottom end can hold alot more then QR!

RubberBerner

i said mod...modding to me is modifying...when i modify something, nothing is left stock that can be upgraded...internals would be forged...thats what i understood from his post... basically :
If you did the same thing, to each engine...the QR would be more powerful (but probably not as reliable). Once again...listen to the GM guys when they say "there's no replacement for displacement"

Edit: don't get me wrong...the SR is a better motor, but in this situation where everything is swapped out for something forged or billet...its a different story.

chimmike

that's not entirely true. B13 suspension has such shitty travel capabilities that it's fairly limited beyond a point.

the b14 and b15 suspension, while slightly more crude, is far more capable in road race or autocross situations.

the b15 did come with a roller rocker SR20 from 2000-2001, which had 9.8:1 compression due to a slightly different combustion chamber, and of course as I mentioned, roller rocker cams. The b15 SR has slightly weaker pistons due to a higher ring land, but the rest of the engine is pretty much the same as a lowport SR. However, with the b15 SR you really have to ditch the stock ecu and stuff and replace it with a b13 setup for simplicity when tuning.

My b15 is far more comfortable than my b13, and it handles better.
But my B13 has an SR in it which will be VERY fast fairly soon.

I like 'em both, but I was never a fan of the look of the b14 to be honest.

chimmike

1) the 6speed in the spec is a piece of shit. They use the same one in the hyundai tibby. The 2002 SER non-spec v, with less rated power and torque, keeps up with the 6speed in the 1/4 mile. Why? Less shifting.

2) There wasn't any pure technology in the Spec V suspension. It's basically extremely stiff springs that are underdamped, and a couple of inadequate roll bars. Hence the massive understeer. Understeer would be hella worse if they weren't smart and didn't throw in that helical LSD. The b13 has independent suspension, remember, while the b15 has pretty much identical style suspension to the b14, macpherson front, multilink beam rear.

osama tim laden

solid rear axle < independant rear.
travel can be made up with coilovers.
and since this car will be "modded" why wouldnt it have coilovers..