Regardless of Travis's personal history, hes trying something new here. Even if the car never runs, the idea is still out there for someone else to run with.

Nothing's wrong with the old way of doing things, but theyre just that....old. For the most part everything that can be done with an SR has been. The QR is relatively untapped. Lets find out if its got something.

 

then why use "old parts"?

 

Everything has been done? Maybe you haven't checked out Enthalpy's SR response tune. 364hp at 10psi, what? Completely flat torque after full boost. No one, atleast in the US, has done that. A lot of people a hell of a lot more technical than B15-boy wouldn't even know where to begin to duplicate it, more or less pioneer it.

I'm not here to piss the B chassis people or the QR fans off. I'm just not going to get that excited about someone doing something the hard way to get the same results as the easy/old way. Would you be impressed if I could reach over my left shoulder to wipe my ass? No, because everyone knows that there's an easier way that accomplishes the same task.

"Yeah, you can do it.... but that doesn't mean it's to be done. You can drive a car with your feet if you want to. That's doesn't make it a good friggin idea!" -Chris Rock

"Going with the _____ is the dumbest reason for choosing [it]. It's also the most common, at least among the vast majority or projects doomed to failure." -Dave Coleman


*edit* still waiting on a link to some real specs/parts list.

 

I agree, how are you trying something "new" , while utilizing "old" parts.IMHO If they where aiming for a higher revving powerplant ,they should have saved themselves headaches, and went with a SR, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel (They would have also inherted a engine with alot of out of the box potential).

 

that's not the point. The point is, Travis does this with every major build he's done. He posts vids of it idling, pictures of the buildup, etc.

And then, when shit happens, and it blows, we don't hear anything. Hell, this little project has taken probably close to a year now. When in all reality, it shouldn't take a decent shop more than a couple months from idea inception to machine work, etc, including shipping out for parts, etc.

I like to think of a little saying. I like to connect it to people who think a blower on an SR20 is better than turbo. "If it was such a good idea, why hasn't it been done before now?"

Sure the SQR23DE idea is neat. Imo, it's not $10,000 neat, or $10,000 worth of an extra .3L displacement. Remember those big bore SR kits? Whoa, imagine that, a 2.2L SR that can still rev high and make big power. What do you think you could get more power out of? This 10k SQR23DE+T or 10k worth of money thrown into an SR.......big bore kit, head work, custom intake mani, big turbo, pulse converter turbo mani, etc?

My money would be on the SR. Ideas are great, Especially when shops are behind it. Big shops, with lots of money to throw around. Problem is, Trav doesn't have money to throw around, I could pull up dozens of threads where he bitches about being broke all the time, etc. So he basically plays with the customers money.

Time will tell if the thing either runs or proves to be a $10k "mistake" again.
I don't care how much power it makes, I hope to God for the owner's sake that the thing is at least semi-reliable.

 

The point I was after is that there are 10 bajillion turbo SRs out there. Virtually every setup has been tried. Yeah thats great that Enthalpy got some awesome power with such low boost, but he took an existing setup and greatly improved it, no? This SQR is a completely new thing.

Thats fine. I still think its a cool idea though.

The only old part that I see is the SR crank. Everything else is QR or custom. This is new because no one's ever done it before. I could put an SR in my WRX and that would be new because it hasnt been done before. Even though both the SR and WRX chassis have been around for years.

No it is the point. The thread was about the idea of an SQR23DE not your feelings about how Travis treats his customers.

 

I still do not understand this idealogy , the whole point of modifying a vehicle is to improve upon what you have gotten from the factory, wether be it making it handle better, accelerate better, e.t.c. What does trying something new have to do with anything ? You can install a new eclipse V6 into a 4G63T powered 1st gen dsm , does that improve upon anything ? No. Is it diffrent ? Sure. I believe someone came up with a analogy about being diffrent on this board, it had something to do with being uniqueness and homosexuality(believe it was dr. octogan?), but anyway you can see where i'am getting at . IMHO it's just a really stupid idea.

 

And you can think that all you want. The way I see it is its like Monster Garage. Yeah you can pick up garbage with a regular garbage truck, but its still cool when you turn an Explorer into one.

And who knows? This idea might turn out to be a good one and in a few years when the B15s are cheap youlll see a bunch of SQR23s running around. If no one ever tried anything new, we'd all still be using steam power....

 

Agree to disagree, I guess. I'm happy with that.

I still want to know how he's getting 2.3L. After a lengthy search for real information (apparetly everyone just want to cheerlead, and can't even post a link to the specs), He's running 89.5mm bore and 86mm stroke. That's 2164cc's. So he can build motors, but can't operate a calculator correctly? I wonder what the REAL compression ratio is....

By the way, the idea of using an SR crank was originated by Dave Coleman. Dave did the research, and published it in SCC.