With the 16g setup recommended by teal-talong I should be able to acheive the low 12s correct? How much am I going to suffer when racing someone froms a roll of say....45mph? Is it going to be sad or can I safely assume Im going to stomp some booty?

 

Well at that ET level you are running 107-110 MPH traps with a well tuned car. Compare that to whatever trap speed the car you are running does. The roll just eliminates traction issues. You still have a car that runs well into the 100 MPH traps. If your current car ran a 100 MPH trap speed and your DSM ran 100MPH trap speed it would be neck and neck. Get the idea? The bonus of AWD is a low ET from little MPH. Average from a roll but absolutely deadly from a stop on the street. The car you are running may run 1.8 60s at the track but where are his slicks on the street? None. So he now cuts probably at the best a 2.2 60 if FWD or a 2.0 or a little lower RWD. Hell even from a roll at lower MPH FWD and some RWD have traction broblems all through 2nd maybe some of third. You will have none at that power level. Bigger turbo and you wil have traction problems though. Ive heard stories of guys breaking loose all 4 in second gear...but I doubt youll have that problem.

Maybe Im wrong here? Anyone? Anyone?

 

Ill line up with you sometime Acme. 16g turbo is not a top-end turbo. It is better for every day driving fast spool up and autocrossing. If you want a top end turbo you will need to go with a 20g t3t4 or a Frank stage 3 or more.

You wont loose traction with these turbos in second unless you do some major head work.



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James
16gAWD
97 Talon TSI AWD
60 times: 1.6x on 17 Goodyear RS-As
Movies
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~ray/Jamesfull.MPG
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~ray/James_and_BMW.mpg
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~ray/James_vs_t_type.mpg
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~ray/James_vs_BMW.mpg

 

Not a top end turbo? I want to achieve a good amount of power across the board. Drivability is a must though!

 

There are many types of turbos out there for DSMs. It depends on what you want to do with your car. Street car or a drag car. For the street there are 16g/big 16g/super 16g/17c/Greddy 18g/19c. Power band is around 3-6k. The 19c is going to be my choice of turbo in the future when I can save up some cash. These turbos all come with an internal wastegate and spoolup fast and pull hard but they will not flow as much as a drag style turbo. Drag turbos power band are around 4.5k+. These turbos are usually 20gt3t4frank stage 3+ and other flavors of larger garret turbos. Each of these requires a external wastegate and some custome exhaust manifold and downpipe. A 20g will bolt on but it will out flow the stock manifold/02 housing which will restrict the turbos potential.

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James
16gAWD
97 Talon TSI AWD
60 times: 1.6x on 17 Goodyear RS-As
Movies
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~ray/Jamesfull.MPG
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~ray/James_and_BMW.mpg
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~ray/James_vs_t_type.mpg
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~ray/James_vs_BMW.mpg

 

Its not a slow spooling turbo. Trust me you probably wouldnt like a 20G Etc. 16G has plenty of top end for what youll use it for. Its not a balls out drag turbo is what he is saying. It can be used for drag racing but still spool quickly for AutoX. He has one and so does emodsm. If one of them are out there at the picnic maybe you can check it out. Emos isnt as fierce as 16GAWDs though. 16GAWD has a few more power makers.

 

Acutally I hear very good things about the 19C. I think James and another local is trying one out. If I planned on doing anything but drag race this would be the turbo for me. Full boost at the same time as a 16G but another 55 CFM out of it. No external gate to make things easier. I think Ill go with something a bit bigger though.
http://www.turbochargers.com/TurboUp...adeCatalog.htm

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Sorry I wont be there this weekend. I will be at Sanibel Island relaxing on the beach. My recomendations would be a Big 16g ported and clipped for a streetable DSM.

 

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You know what I just noticed ? The BIG 16G is supposed to flow the same CFM as the 19C....WTF?!?! I know the BIG 16G is basically an 18G wheel in a 16G housing. hrmph...