I dont think any engine is particularly better than the other, it all just depends on what your plans for the car are. If you wanna make it fast, go with the 4G63, if you want a sporty looking daily driver, go with the 420A. As far as performance goes, both engines can make great power, as the videos show, i just think more people prefer to use the 4G63 for power and speed becuase it cheaper to make more power. for example, to make a bit more power on a 4G63, all you pretty much have to do is swap in a bigger/better turbo and suuporting mods. To make the same power on a 420A, you would have to get a full turbo kit and supporting mods which would cost much more than just a turbo swap. Just my opinion though.

 

Well I didnt mean for this to turn into a debate or anything, I understand that if you take a 10-15 year old, you will have some problems but I have had pretty old cars that havent caused major problems, just little things here and there which isnt a big deal to me but I have just heard from a couple of people that have had experience with the eclipse that there are a lot of problems. They didnt really state which problems they have except for them leaking oil. I have always wanted an eclipse but after hearing a bunch of people say that they break down alot, it kinda of discouraged me. The main reason why I dont want a turbo is because it is out of my price range. I want a good eclipse for about $5,000 with a decent low milage and all of the turbos I have seen have been more than that so thats why I want to buy a non turbo eclipse and then put more stuff onto it later on down the road once I get more money for it. I am sure that I could find a turbo eclipse for around 5,000 but chances are they arent in that great of a condition.

 

Yeah everybody seems to like getting in debates with JDMevo. Because JDMevo sticks up for something he owns.

 

Yet again that was uncalled for.

The question has been answered several times already. People drive the turbo car a lot harder than the 420a car the reasons are obvious the 4g63 is just plain fun to drive. Then you have bad previous owners who do not keep up with the maintenance and then you have others trying to make something work instead of doing it the right way. Yes a newer turbo eclipse is going to cost you money, but you can get lucky and find a decent car with lower miles that is a virgin. When you find that you will have found yourself a reliable car. Because more often than not someone who has an eclipse and it is unmodified just bought the car for the looks and not the performance. My car has been very good to me yes its a 99 yes it was expensive as hell yes I have black leather but it gets me from my house to my job every single day and even to the track and back every other weekend. But on the flip side I take care of my car people laugh at me sometimes because I don't shift as hard or as fast as I should when I'm racing but the fact of the matter is that I I want my car to last that's why I do what i do and i make sure to stay on top of the maintenance too.

 

+1 Dario

I stood up and clapped!

If your seriously interested in these cars, do a little bit of reaserch. You'll find that most people are gaining alot of horsepower and going to the track with the GSTs and GSXs but you wont find half that many people trying to do that with the RS/GSs. This car came as a turbo model and non-turbo model. You seem like a car enthusiast or tuner or whatever so I can honestly tell you what you are going to want out of these cars in the end isn't going to come out of a RS/GS. There are people that want a fast, turbocharged car and then there are people that want a daily driver that they can mod a little and rely on. Choose who you are, because with this car; its avaliable for both types of people. And who says you can't find a good GST for $5000? Smurf (Sean) just sold really good 98 GST for that much. I got my GST for $6000 and it only had 67K. Look around a little, you might just find the car you want. Just dont give up.

 

I'm not trying to start a 4g63t vs 420a. I've already owned a 4g63t and had plenty of experiences with it. When I had it already with my last car I was looking in getting a 95-99 GST. I looked probably for about a month and was without a car for 2 months. Didn't have much luck as far as around the $5,000-$6,000 price range. There was some but they would need a lot of work and I was looking for something reliable. Well I gave up hope on looking for one and though I wanted one I wanted some sort of 2g. Because all my previous cars (last 4) have been 1g's. Ended up getting a 1997 Eclipse RS. Its reliable and I don't worry as much as I did when I owned the 91 Talon TSI I had. There's the story behind why I own a Eclipse RS and not a GST or GSX. As much as I want turbo I don't want to deal with the problems again when I need something to take me to work and back. In the future, yes I'm turboing the 420a. But being that we got a house and we'll be moving in about 2 months I want to take on a 4g63t powered project. I just don't like the fact on here that the 420a constantly gets put down. Its not such a bad engine, it has good and bad just like the 4g63t. Without the "T" the 4g63 would only push 135hp which is 5 less then the 420a now without turbo. There's a signifant increase in hp with the 4g63t compare to the 420a out of the factory. 4g63t around 200hp and the 420a around 140. That 140 is @ 6000rpms. Slow yes, reliable yes. Is it worth dumping more money into it then you would a 4g63t... no. I'm doing it for the simple fact that I miss turbo and I would like to take on a 420a turbo project just to see my comparison between the two and my old TSI. The simple fact of people calling me a DSM noob when I've probably owned more DSM's then the one's calling me that is funny to me. I've owned the 1.8, 2.0 non turbo, 2.0 turbo, now the 420a. So I've owned 99% of the engine's put into these vehicles. The only one I've yet to own is the 4g64 from the Spyder, but I've test drove one. JDMevo is not here to argue or start debates. What everyone's or most problem is you don't like the fact that I stick up for the 420a. Hey its what I drive, I'm not going to down something I drive. There's no fun in that and I like my car even though its slow. Nissan forum doesn't seem to have this problem with people owning SR's and other owning KA and wanting to turbo the KA vs going with the SR. Were all into the same cars, you don't see me going around putting down the 4g63t just because I own a 420a. I've owned a 4g63t and had my experience just like everyone else. If you don't like the comment I posted earlier well I got furious because of smartass's on here. Weeks have gone by and I've let a lot of things just slide and didn't let it bother me but this got ridiculous. If you haven't noticed I get offended by shit like that especially if its regarding me and my car. Then of course I get e-jumped by friends of friends on here. Its funny when something is out there and it doesn't concern some people and they jump all over it and make things worst. I apologized a month or so back and I thank those who were man enough to accept my apology and say they were wrong of things they said as well. The rest of you seem to hold this pety online grudge. Well get over it... I shouldn't have to apologize everytime especially when I get offended one way or another. I'm wrong for things I've said and so are many other people in Mitsu Tech. Were all into the same cars, instead of critizing the 420a and its owners you should get a long with them and be friends. Us 420a owners don't go critizing 4g63t owners.

I agree with what Dario said. A 2g GST was not in my budget 2 months ago and if it was I would be driving one instead of a RS. But 2 months without a car already I couldn't go any longer and started looking for other 2g's either GS or RS, GSX were way definately out of my budget and price range.

 

wow....I don't think this thread is personally against you. There's always been a 420a vs. 4g63 battle on all DSM forums. It's just the assholes who own the cars.


Don't sweat it. People assume I'm a ricer (and I joke about it for fun) or that I'm just a dumb girl. I let them think it, who cares? Obviously I know a few things about cars...I have owned a 4g63 for almost 8 years, lol.

 

Yeah I really didnt mean for this to turn into a big debate, some of you guys are getting off topic alittle bit. Well since I have only been looking at an eclipse for a couple of months now, I dont know to much about them so can someone explain to me what the hell a 4g63t and a 420a is. Might sound like a dumb question but thats how you learn things.

 

I had this whole post I typed out, but since everyone has to take everything so literal about this shit on here I probably shouldnt say it. I will say that there are benefits of going with a turbo ka over an sr swap...torque comes in handy with cars that can put the power down. I will down what I drive, theres always a bigger fish out there, you cant polish a turd and set it next to a gold nugget and call them even. So everyone stop holding grudges, this shit is childish.

 

4g63t came in 90-94 Eclipse/Talon/Laser also came in 95-99 Eclipse/Talon. Its the engine code and its the turbo based engine.
420a is the engine code and its non turbo based engine and came in the 95-99 Eclipse RS/GS and Talon Esi
90-94 Eclipse/Talon/Laser also came with a 1.8l sohc and a 2.0 4g63 non turbo based. This of course changed 95-99, which also there's an Eclipse Spyder GS that came with the 4g64 again engine code and non turbo based engine.

It wasn't a dumb question at all.