7 bolt=walk
6 bolt= no walk

this equation is very simple in my eyes. just stick with what is proven, and you won't run into any problems.

 

This discussion is a close-minded discussion. More then half the people here have never even owned a 7-bolt car and yet they still put their .02 worth in. I know the people who have had 7 bolt cars and they have had their problems, and I know people who have had 6 bolt cars and they have had their problems. The truth of the matter is..... every single one of these motors can/will have problems if they arent properly maintained. Everyone's opinion is just that... an opinion. Opinions dont mean shit in the real world, especially if you have absolutely no experience with what the discussion is all about.

I am just speaking the truth and the problem with the whole 6 bolt/7 bolt discussion is that the opinions of everyone has been heard and the hearsay has takin over. People love the 6 bolt, and people love the 7 bolt. The crankwalk discussion will never end and nor will the opinions of the people thinking that 6 bolts are better.

Take what you will out of MY opinion, but I will say that I think the 7 bolt is a better design, but what do I know? I just have an opinion like everyone else.

 

Who wants to trade their 7bolt for my 6bolt!?!!!!


jay kay.

 

This is a never ending discussion it will go on forever yes the 7bolt will crankwalk and yes the 7bolt his better design except for the crank weakness but both motors have there up and downs. The only difference is there is not to many people right now that can afford to gamble on it so they use whats works come on the 2 most fastest dsm are running 6bolts why cause its works yes their might be a solution to the 7bolt but not to many people want to chance it. A I could say if you got the funds to gamble go right ahead we all would like to see the out come. I believe in jerry's idea but can I afford to try it right now NO so I go with what I know works can Jerry afford it yes so he will go ahead and prove is theory then you will have your true answer. TMO

 

Just to refute the stupid things brought up on DSMtalk. I didn't contradict my theory when I had the cranks tested for hardness. Go do it yourself if you want. The rockwell tester is a huge machine. looks like a press. It has a diamond tip that is rammed into the surface of the metal. the tip pierces through the nitrided layer. Proving only the crank hardness below the surface that the bearings ride is nearly the same. In short the rockwell tester is not what is needed to compare surface hardness. Beside we are not even talking about hardness but a resistance to abrasion. Brass is far more resistant to abrasion than steel yet it is leaps and bounds softer. Nitrided cranks are far more resistant to abrasion.

The second one that is equally stupid. Low oil pressure is causing the problem! Yeah right. How come the center main is always fine? Plenty of oil there. How come peoples oil pressure gauges dont show a difference between 6 and 7 bolts? because there is no difference. oil pressure is the same between the two blocks.

Last one. The bearing is what is failing! These are the idiots who are just repeating what other idiots are saying. I have seen two crankwalk victoms with the crank cut so deep you could make your finger disappear. yet the thrust bearing was nearly still complete.

 

What the f*ck? When did opinions become worthless? That's like saying a hypothesis doesn't mean anything. I don't live in a world devoid of worthwhile opinions.

This, however, is a reasonable claim:
And, I believe that's the point to be made. If this discussion is to be of any value it ought to offer arguments not unsupported claims.

The original post was an invitation to Jerry address the retort of the dsmtalk members. However, if you read the NABR thread, most of those points have been addressed. I don't know if Jerry has an interest in arguing his position with uninformed individuals.

If you want to understand the issue, do your research. The secondary sources are an okay starting point, but you must understand and either validate or discredit the claims being made. Of course, if you don't have 7-bolt bottom ends to work with, it's going to be very difficult to prove any hypothesis, but it is possible to discredit them.

 

I see that Jerry replied while I was typing my reply...

 

The reason behind saying that opinions dont mean shit is because that people's opinions are based on other people's opinion and not their own. I didnt mean it how it sounded in my first statement. Of course, everyone's opinions are going to be heard, but the fact is, their opinion doesnt really mean anything because they have no first hand experience in the matter. That was the only thing I was saying by that.

 

Hey guys thanks for the backing on DSMTalk about this deal. I just felt out numbered on there and everyone that reads it the post now wont be misinformed about are 7 bolt cranks coming from the factory nitrated. Those guys on there would probaly tell me that I was purple if John (ls1fever) posted that before I tell them that im white. And they would argue that to because someone said that I was purple.

Doesnt anyone anymore research shit. I have read just about everyones theory about why crankwalk happens. And the best one that I believe is the reason is Jerry`s thoery. Not trying to kiss up to Jerry in no way either for all you shit talkers that will read this and want to be funny guys because they are bored and have nothing to saying relating to the subject.

 

Once the theory proves itself, people will still wake up in the morning saying that the 7 bolt still sucks, so it is just hopeless. I could care less what people think about the whole 6 bolt/7 bolt discussion. Whatever people feel like building, that is what they will build, whether it is a 6 bolt or 7 bolt. The 7 bolt has proven itself, but no one seems to understand that because it hasnt been proven like the 6 bolt has.

I am someone who believes the 7 bolt is better, and there really is nothing else to say about it. The 4g63 motor, whether its a 6/7 bolt are both great motors and they are proven horsepower monstars. I am a 4g63 fan for life!

I love you all, even though I hate yalls guts!