I'm not in a tissy, just pointing out that this statement...

...doesn't really hold a candle in this context. A motor which comes factory turbo typically has beefier components, and will last longer in stock form. An NA motor which has been turbo'd is MORE likely to premature failure. That is all I'm saying. Look at the NA "DSMs", vs the turbo charged ones. Or the 03 Cobra motor, vs the older non-FI versions.

I have plenty of experience tuning factory turbocharged engines, and NA cars that have been turbo'd, to back up my assertion. The only thing that motor has going for it is its displacement. Ofcourse *generally* speaking, if you build the bottom end on two engines, the one with the higher displacement can make more HP.

Now your specific questions on the 4g. 400hp is nothing for a 4g63. Ofcourse idiots can, have and WILL blow anything up regardless. But 500whp on a stock bottom end is perfectly doable on a 4g63, reliably... and this is not bench racing, but something I have been doing for well over a year on a daily driven car. And others have too.

You are right, many DSMs are broken. Also I would like to point out many people are idiots. You can fill in the blank. I'm not going to bother defending DSM reliability or anything. I know what they can do in capable hands, and thats enough for me.

I don't think the 4G63 is the god of motors. But I do believe it to be the most robust 4cylinder out there in turbocharged form.

 

I totally agree. What people don't seem to understand is that a "higher performing" engine, is going to take more to maintain. That's why any "true" DSMer will tell you, you want pure reliability, get a Honda. I personally love the fact that I've had to do most of the work on my car. I have learned a lot from working on it. The internet is a great resource folks.

Just as you mentioned in your post, turbocharged cars are built with beefier parts that are designed to take more abuse, thus being able to make a lot more power, while still maintaining a relible car (for the most part).

I hate when N/A owners start bringing up arguments about how they're motors, with the same displacement, are better. Explain to me how it is better? Fu**! I'm getting a headache now thinking about it.

 

It looks cool. However it may have been a better move to have a bit more output from the 3.8L V-6. I am sure there is the potential. But a turbo would be nice as well.

 

Well, i had this really great post typed out and some how i ended up losing it. So to save myself the trouble to typing it all over again i'll just nod my head.




Good discussion btw.

 

doesnt matter... its too little, too late...

looks like Mitsubishi is trying to cash in on the 350z market. and blur the liens between what would have been an eclipse and the 3000GT, again.

260/260 is useless in a FWD format... if it was rwd, they might have something... something that would make me drive right past the Nissan dealer and stop at the Mitsu dealer...

the MIVEC motor has potential, there are tuners that have gotten some good power out of them already... its not a motor you can fake your way with, like a 4G. you have to know what youre doing to get power out of the Mivec.

appearances = Audi TT + 350z. the key to creativity is to hide your sources.

imsure this car is good for what it is... but not good for what the rest of US would plan on doing with it if we ever bought one... but with the prices of 3G's readily exceeding the $30k mark, i wouldnt be surprised if the "Desireable" 4G eclipse priced well into the $30k... putting it out of the reach or not worth the money of most DSM'ers...

just like the muscle car era, the tuner car era has passed. as far as im concerned, the best tuner cars that were ever put out, happened in the late 80's, early 90's. now, everyone is so goddamn afraid of turbochargers and RWD/AWD... and the cars that DO have a desireable powertrain/drivetrain format require $500 car payments and full coverage + GAP insurance... i DEFINITLY Dont want to spend that much on a car thats going to depreciate.

 

Well.. lets be fair, mitsu did bring the EVO to the US, which is a huge step in this market. Its unfortunate the RX7 is still axed, and the new Supra is going to be non-turbo... but what can you do. Hopefully Mitsu will keep bringing the EVOs over, with more and more overseas goods.

 

I love mitsubishi's. The evolution reinforced my love for mitsu in america, but my favoritism will always lie in the dsm era in the 90's. Hell I am lookin for a 1st gen again. There is only one car maker that will always continue to have turbocharged motor platforms, and thats the volkswagon/audi group. Although thye have large n/a motor options. They will still continue with the turbocharging. As a matter of fact they will be introducing the Audi A3 which will be optioned for awd and an excellent turbo motor, with direct injection. I was hoping that maybe mitsubishi would have done something with the eclipse that they intended with the 3rd gen(which was supposed to be the 3000gt, if you can remember the 3g with a 3l twin turbo awd setup.) Oh well. Guess I will ahve to wait for the evo's to severely depreciate and then buy one!!!

 

Unfortunately, Mitsu. has current;y (and has been for the past coupld of years now), been operating very deep in the red. They're actually in deep shit right now if you read up on financial news. They're really banking n their new cars making some big numbers, in hopes of pulling them back into the black, and hopefully into the green.

The reason Toyota, Mazda, and Nissan have swayed from turbochargers on their flagship cars, is due to production costs, as well as ever increasing smog restrictions. Insurance rates don't help either. Higher cost for car + higher insurance rate for conumser to insure car, = less sales of that particular car. Insurance companies also see that "Twin Turbo" title and shit a brick. They don't care of the fact that a twin setup doesn't necessairly mean more power.

I still think that the factory turbocharged vehicle market is relatively healthy, you just won't see as many available with 320+HP, from the factory. I would personally love to see the Japanese companies bring back their flagship vehicles, however, make them single turbo. Alot of people are all babbling about (they need to make it twin turbo again). Why? It's been rpoven that a single turbo is just as effective as a twin setup, not to mention much less headaches, costs, and moving parts involved.

 

it looks like a 350 z

 

bleh it looks like a mercury cougar from the side.

BTW 3.8 v6 seems like a truck motor to me, bleh!

put a peaky I4 turbo, more fun.