Hopefully it's successful enough to bankroll the new generation of Evos. That's about all it's good for in my book.

 

maybe it's me, kind of looks a little like the 350z or G35..but no turbo = no likey

 

reminds me of a mr.scrub bubble

 

Looks good to me

 

Looks nice, if the price is decent and I don't have a new car by then I might have to look into getting one.

 

Are you guys kidding me? No turbo means your not interested? I think some of you are choosing to remain delusional. Its going to have 260/260 BEFORE turbo. So with a safe tune your looking at 360 with a turbo! Not to mention that with 3.8L i'm sure there is some room in the block to bore and/or stroke it a bit. You could pesumably be looking at a 400hp and god only knows what kind of TQ out of this motor with an ok tune.
260 is a very good starting point for a turbo build. I'd rather have this and add a turbo, then try and turn up the boost on a stock system and over work all the components until premature failure.

 

Tampamax..... do you know anything about factory turbocharged motors versus non.. specifically the 4g63? Because your comments stink of ignorance. Factory turbocharged motors are infintantly more robust than their non-turbo counter parts. In terms of ultimate HP and reliability, you will have MUCH better luck with a car that comes from the factory with a turbo. Also.. 260hp....360hp...... that is nothing.

 

I don't know what got you all in a tissy, but i think you misinterpreted what i was saying. When you try and compare the 4g against other engines then i kind of agree. But who is to say that the new eclipse would be getting the 4g if in fact it came from the factory with a turbo?

So when does the 4g begin giving up the ghost? When is enough enough? If you were to do nothing to the 4g but add fuel support, larger turbo, freeing up the flow, and crank up the boost; how much could one get out of the 4 banger before having to upgrade the internals? I know its a great engine, but it too has its limits and is not the god of all motors. Lets just say that if you plan on going over 400hp with the 4g63 then you would need to consider internal upgrades for reliablity reasons. I think that's a fair assumption. Sure it could put out 500+, but not for very long. Now lets consider the mivec v-6 coming in at 260hp/and goobs more tq than the inline 4 with 260. Its is generally a safe assumption that one can add at least 100hp to an imports base factory engine without seriously compromizing reliablity on engines that come with at least 200hp or more. (i know you may think i'm crazy for saying that, but this is a generality i have seen prove itself over and over again) So with slapping a turbo kit on the v-6 you now have comperable number to a 4g with a decent amount of work in it. But the v-6 will have a bigger and fatter tq curve and the power will come on sooner. And who is to say that the new v-6 isn't up to the task of coming alive with mods? Either way you slice it once you get upwords of 400hp range if you care anything at all about reliablity you will need to reinforce the internals.
I believe your assumption that factory turbo cars are more reliable is an ideal that is not neccessarely true. The mitsu line is perfect evidence of that. How many 4g's are constantely breaking down just in this forum alone? Sure if you through enough money at them and work on them yourself then you may achieve short greatness with it, but you will never see a long lasting reliable factory turbo'd car if you continually mod it.


Call me ignorant if you must, but i don't think there would be anything wrong with getting an engine that pound for pound, or dollar for dollar, produces more hp and tq than the aged 4g63. Progression is never ending.

 

I know boostjunkie has been putting over 500whp to his stock engine for almost a good year now. Not once breaking. And by stock I mean stock bottom end, stock head, stock composite head gasket, stock head bolts, just upgraded cams. Seems pretty damn reliable to me.

Oh yea the motor in his white car before that was putting 450whp down for over 2 years never once breaking, pretty much same as stated above but had 4layer and ARPs. But I showed him how to break it in less then one month. Get er done.

Sorry if I jumped in for you Vijay, just adding some input.

As for 4g's that are breaking down, don't think the 4g is at fault, look to the owner 98% of the time. It's owner/mechanic operator error, not the motor itself. That's why it upsets people when they talk shit about DSM's and always breaking with it's not the DSM's fault but the fact that the owner cut corners and tried to go the cheap route or just plain fucked up. Don't blame the car for the owners mistake.

 

Sounds liek they are trying to go the route of the 350Z somewhat, with the V6 producing higher than average HP output. The engine sounds like it could have potential, (anything does if you have money to pour into it) and this surely, will probably cost an arm and leg to boost it. A 3.8L 6 cylinder means no room at all under the engine bay, so it's probably going to take some time to develop a turbo kit, depending if any of the big manufactuers will take the time to develop one. While there will most likely be some sort of turbo kit (whether from a big or small company), the setup and piping will probably be very complicated, which will hinder performance, as well as raise costs.

Can it be fast? Sure it can, if you have a boat laod of money to pur into it. It won't be practical though. Guess we'll have to see what happens to it when Mitsu releases it. At least there leaning back to the 2G styling some.