This is what i found.. go ahead and add your input.


2G cars are considered DSMs because they are direct descendants of the original DSM cars. Although they were technically not built by Diamond Star Motors, their connection to the original line is unmistakable, as they share the name, trim levels and original intention of the 1G cars.

Also, some early 95 cars have DSM labeling on them, leading many to believe that all 2Gs were built by Diamond Star Motors. This is not the case, as Diamond Star Motors officially ceased to exist in mid-1993, when Chrysler sold off all of its Mitsubishi holdings, technically making the 1994 cars the last of the DSMs. This type of hair-splitting is not important for Club purposes, however, and the Club has decided that 2Gers have as much right to be included as earlier owners.

The Galant VR-4 is something of an oddity in the club, but the VR-4 shares many important components with the 1G cars, including the unusual AWD drivetrain. It can be argued that the Galant VR-4 is the "parent" of all DSMs: the original concept for the DSM in North America was a four-door. Also the VR-4 platform was originally concieved to be Mitsubishi's entry into the rally racing circuit before DSM existed.

A similar situation exists with the 2G Spyder convertible, but it's connection with the other 2G cars is unmistakable. Thus the Spyder and VR4 are included in the scope of the Talon Digest.


Aside from the fact that Sebring and Avenger cars are built in the same MMMA plant as the 2G cars, there is nothing to connect them to the DSM name. They do not share heritage, appearance, upgrade paths or many parts with DSMs. For this reason, these two models are not considered DSMs, and discussion regarding these cars is not part of the Talon Digest or most UBB systems concentrating on DSMs.

Having said that, the Avenger enthusiasts are quick to point out that the Avenger/Sebring platform and the second-generation non-turbo DSM platform do share some similarities. They have similar interiors, bodies, and suspension, and several of the non-turbo upgrades for the NT DSMs work on the A/S cars, since some A/S cars have the same 420A Chrysler motor. Also, some A/S cars have a 2.5L NT similar to the 3.0L NT found in third-generation Eclipses. (Information provided by Tomas Ely.) It could be argued that the A/S cars are cousins to the DSMs - not the same, but similar.

 

We know what technically is and isnt a dsm. as long as it has a 4g63 in it( T/E/L, GVR4, EVO) then its a DSM as far as most DSM enthusiasts are conserned.

 

Perfect. This is now the official "What is a DSM" thread.

I don't want to hear about it anywhere else. You all have a good ol' time arguing 'til your hearts are content.

What a waste of fucking time.

 

yah i know that is what im trying to enclose into one thread instead of it getting all the other ones locked out.

1gs up until 94 + galant vr-4s are "true" dsms, but all the 4g63 family is considered a dsm.

just tryin to clear things up for the 420a'ers

 

IMO If it doesn't have the DSM plaque on it then it isn't a DSM plain and simple. Just cause a car has the 4g63 in it doesn't make it a dsm. What about people who put the 4g64's in their car? Does that mean that then it isn't a dsm or is it still one. If so does that mean all 4g64 cars are? A gvr4 isn't a dsm cause it wasn't even made in america. This convo could go on and on but who trully cares.

 

The Galant VR-4 is something of an oddity in the club, but the VR-4 shares many important components with the 1G cars, including the unusual AWD drivetrain. It can be argued that the Galant VR-4 is the "parent" of all DSMs: the original concept for the DSM in North America was a four-door. Also the VR-4 platform was originally concieved to be Mitsubishi's entry into the rally racing circuit before DSM existed.

found all my info on vfaq.com

 

Again we all should know what TECHNICALY is and isnt a DSM. But when a guy who owns a GVR4 or a 99 GSX need advise he is going to go to board designated to DSM`s. There fore most people will consider any car that came witha 4g63 from the factory a DSM, even though we no that not all of them were built by DSM because that partnership was done away with in late 1994. For this you will find early 95 eclipses with a DSM plaque on them. Now in late 95-99 did something aside from DSM beeing done away with change. No it didnt they are still have always been built by Mitsubishi in the same plant in Normal,Il. Lets not get to technical about this. 1G, 2G, GVR4 we all have the same 4g63 motor and should not be so worried about what years are true DSM`s and which aren`t.

Now the reason 2G n/t`s dont get connsidered DSM`s is because they have a 420a dodge motor. People who own will be hard pressed to get good Tech help on a board dedicated to DSM`s. It doesnt make them a bad car. Its just a completely different platform from the 2G turbo models.

 

Holy shit I can't believe this still goes on. Can't you people argue over something else like... exhaust size benefits or some shit like that? This isn't in any way important to anything! The history of where a car was made? Especially an "import" dear god... someone who had some muscle car back in the 60s might care about where their car was made. not DSMs.

Tom, why do you continue to argue this point with people?

 

i only put this in here to get it out of every other thread, so if you are referring to me then think again, unless you enjoy all the threads getting locked over this subject..

 

I was hoping to simplify it so people would understand and let the whole what is or isnt a DSM thing go. Guess i was wrong.:bbb: