Break in Question
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im doing basically a new block
how long to break it in with the turbo on it?
hondata
will i have to have it tuned after the motor is broken in?
what all do i need to rebuild a bottem end?
besides gaskets seals pistons rods
do i have to do anything to the block?
also on my tubo theres not a place to hook up
a vaccume line for the wastegate
do i have to have it taped?
who can do the taps for the oil pan?
when i do the swap what is good to have extra?
wires vaccume hoose etc
any lubs or compounds i need to have for any of this?
im only asking because i dont want to screw anything up
thanks
Hartman
im doing basically a new block
how long to break it in with the turbo on it?
hondata
will i have to have it tuned after the motor is broken in?
what all do i need to rebuild a bottem end?
besides gaskets seals pistons rods
do i have to do anything to the block?
also on my tubo theres not a place to hook up
a vaccume line for the wastegate
do i have to have it taped?
who can do the taps for the oil pan?
when i do the swap what is good to have extra?
wires vaccume hoose etc
any lubs or compounds i need to have for any of this?
im only asking because i dont want to screw anything up
thanks
Hartman
Break-in: Everyone is going to tell you different stuff.
This is what I believe in:
- run 30wt non detergent oil
-Start the car and run at high idle 2000rpms for 10 mins or so. Check for leaks and that the fan comes on.
- let the car cool down and change the oil and filter. run normal 30wt
- drive the car, go through the gears at a moderate rpm say 3-3.5k to make sure everything is okay with the drivetrain, tranny, ect...
- if everything is good then get on it some in second and third gear. Accelerate then let off. Don't redline it but don't be afraid to zing it pretty good. Do this for a couple of miles.
- check vacuum, if it is about 20lbs at idle then the rings are pretty much seated, if not then repeat accelerating and letting off.
- If the vacuum test is good then just put miles on the car but don't hold the rpms steady, keep them varying. Get on it occasionally in the lower gears (1-3).
- change oil at 500 and 1000 miles
- after 1000 miles drive it however you like and run whatever oil you like.
As far as turbo you should break the motor in under boost. If possible I would try not to run the turbo for the first 10-20 minutes before the first oil change but I don't think that is a big deal as long as the build was clean.
This is what I believe in:
- run 30wt non detergent oil
-Start the car and run at high idle 2000rpms for 10 mins or so. Check for leaks and that the fan comes on.
- let the car cool down and change the oil and filter. run normal 30wt
- drive the car, go through the gears at a moderate rpm say 3-3.5k to make sure everything is okay with the drivetrain, tranny, ect...
- if everything is good then get on it some in second and third gear. Accelerate then let off. Don't redline it but don't be afraid to zing it pretty good. Do this for a couple of miles.
- check vacuum, if it is about 20lbs at idle then the rings are pretty much seated, if not then repeat accelerating and letting off.
- If the vacuum test is good then just put miles on the car but don't hold the rpms steady, keep them varying. Get on it occasionally in the lower gears (1-3).
- change oil at 500 and 1000 miles
- after 1000 miles drive it however you like and run whatever oil you like.
As far as turbo you should break the motor in under boost. If possible I would try not to run the turbo for the first 10-20 minutes before the first oil change but I don't think that is a big deal as long as the build was clean.
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To rebuild bottom end in your case:
bore/hone to the spec for your pistons
new main and rod bearings along with thrust washers
new seals and gaskets
I'd also upgrade to a type r oil pump depending on what year ls you have (96+ ls is a type r pump I believe, have to check)
many people or any machine shop can tapp your oil pan.
One of your intake manifold vacuum lines can be teed into for the wastegate. Vacuum hose is cheap, buy 10 feet of it and it will be more than you'll ever need.
Engine assembly lube for bearings and such and moly lube for cams both can be found at NAPA or the like.
bore/hone to the spec for your pistons
new main and rod bearings along with thrust washers
new seals and gaskets
I'd also upgrade to a type r oil pump depending on what year ls you have (96+ ls is a type r pump I believe, have to check)
many people or any machine shop can tapp your oil pan.
One of your intake manifold vacuum lines can be teed into for the wastegate. Vacuum hose is cheap, buy 10 feet of it and it will be more than you'll ever need.
Engine assembly lube for bearings and such and moly lube for cams both can be found at NAPA or the like.
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Your turbo I believe is made for an external wastegate, which is why you don't see it as tapped for a vacuum. You can get standard bore pistons, that way you only have to hone the sleeves (10 min job).
Make sure your crank is in good shape, and rods. I would send them off to a shop and have them all checked and cleaned. Just make sure they don't take anything off the rods or crank.
Get the block cleaned and pressure tested. I would suggest going with a decent pair of eagle rods, they're pretty cheap ~$320. Just to be safe. Also, go with a set of Endyn pistons. If your going to keep stock internals. Be sure to get ARP rod bolts and head studs. Hope Ive been of some assistance.
Break in period varies.
For at _least_ 850 miles. Keep the car below 3500RPM use stop and go traffic mainly. Do not do all these miles at once. After 500 miles, change the oil. This was the directions Collin gave me, it appears to have worked, since Im now at 2800 miles and my car r0x.
Make sure your crank is in good shape, and rods. I would send them off to a shop and have them all checked and cleaned. Just make sure they don't take anything off the rods or crank.
Get the block cleaned and pressure tested. I would suggest going with a decent pair of eagle rods, they're pretty cheap ~$320. Just to be safe. Also, go with a set of Endyn pistons. If your going to keep stock internals. Be sure to get ARP rod bolts and head studs. Hope Ive been of some assistance.
Break in period varies.
For at _least_ 850 miles. Keep the car below 3500RPM use stop and go traffic mainly. Do not do all these miles at once. After 500 miles, change the oil. This was the directions Collin gave me, it appears to have worked, since Im now at 2800 miles and my car r0x.
I'd get oversized pistons. 81.25mm. This way you can set the pistons to wall clearances to spec and the boring process itself garentees the cylinder walls are true round. Boring costs about $80 or so and is WELL worth it.
I don't believe in taking it real easy on a break in especially in the first couple of miles. Cylinder pressure is what helps the rings seat. The pressure gets behind the ring in the ring land and forces the ring outward which is how they seat by friction with the cylinder wall. Taking it real easy just makes this process last longer. The longer it takes to seat the rings the more friction, created by the texture of the hone, is lost. To each his own, I just wanted to explain my reaoning so no one thinks I'm crazy.
KJ
I don't believe in taking it real easy on a break in especially in the first couple of miles. Cylinder pressure is what helps the rings seat. The pressure gets behind the ring in the ring land and forces the ring outward which is how they seat by friction with the cylinder wall. Taking it real easy just makes this process last longer. The longer it takes to seat the rings the more friction, created by the texture of the hone, is lost. To each his own, I just wanted to explain my reaoning so no one thinks I'm crazy.
KJ
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look at the cam journals to make sure they are not scratched. Make sure you get all of the cam journals. Check to make sure the mating surface on the bottom of the head does not have any deep scratches. Look at how the valves are seated in the combustion chamber. They should all be seating pretty much flush and all look alike. The valves themselves might be a little diiscolored (carbon/ash) when comparing them to each other based on which way the spark plug was facing, don't worry about this. What you do need to look for is color change associated with melting metal (burnt valve), kinda hard to tell, look for slight disfiguring of the valve head by the edge.
You can run the throttle body, no problem. If you want to upgrade in the future it takes 5 minutes.
You can run the throttle body, no problem. If you want to upgrade in the future it takes 5 minutes.
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