how long does race gas last?
first off let's not edit what the fuck I said. You want proof that it is not going to make you run a slower time, tune any fucking car you want mr super smart guy on pump gas. Then take it to the track, make a pass. Then take the same car, with the same settings and put some race gas in it. Run it and tell me it doesn't run a quicker time.
As for me saying I know more than you, who the fuck are you, The Car God. Is your mind a plethura of all knowledge when it comes to cars ? I hope not because in this matter you are wrong. Where is the proof to any of what you are saying ? Or is that because you are a self proclaimed Honda God you think you know everything ? Please enlighten me oh holy one.
As for me saying I know more than you, who the fuck are you, The Car God. Is your mind a plethura of all knowledge when it comes to cars ? I hope not because in this matter you are wrong. Where is the proof to any of what you are saying ? Or is that because you are a self proclaimed Honda God you think you know everything ? Please enlighten me oh holy one.
Anyways....Who I am? I am a nice guy who has tinkered around on some things here and there. Tuned over a hundred cars, designed many aircraft and helicopter components, performed many stress and thermal analyses on jet and helicopter systems and just so happen to have a honda that uses the race gas in question and makes around 650whp on race gas and 510whp on pump gas. So ignoring anything that I have learned from my daily job of thermodynamics and combustion....and lets just look at what I have learned from tuning over a hundred or so cars.
When you run race gas.....why do want to ADD timing? It is because of the burn rate and the specific gravity of the gas. Race gas is less prone to detonation, primarily because of the burn rate and the stabilization of the fuel properties. Flash burn characteristics as you go up in motor octane improve and you can run more timing at a more controlled explosion.
So to recap....running a car that has been optimally tuned for 93 octane and now you put C16 in the car, I promise you the car will lose power. Not to mention losing all that money that you just spent on the race gas because you think you know what you are talking about.
Originally Posted by siturbo
If you are running race gas the ecu will not pull timing. less chance of detonation.
But anywho....I don't know crap so keep pumping your cars with race gas and good luck at the track.
Yo. 2000 EK/EM interior pieces wont make 650whp
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Why do people feel the need to throw down with the wack language when they talk to me?
Anyways....Who I am? I am a nice guy who has tinkered around on some things here and there. Tuned over a hundred cars, designed many aircraft and helicopter components, performed many stress and thermal analyses on jet and helicopter systems and just so happen to have a honda that uses the race gas in question and makes around 650whp on race gas and 510whp on pump gas. So ignoring anything that I have learned from my daily job of thermodynamics and combustion....and lets just look at what I have learned from tuning over a hundred or so cars.
When you run race gas.....why do want to ADD timing? It is because of the burn rate and the specific gravity of the gas. Race gas is less prone to detonation, primarily because of the burn rate and the stabilization of the fuel properties. Flash burn characteristics as you go up in motor octane improve and you can run more timing at a more controlled explosion.
So to recap....running a car that has been optimally tuned for 93 octane and now you put C16 in the car, I promise you the car will lose power. Not to mention losing all that money that you just spent on the race gas because you think you know what you are talking about.
Nice first post....kinda makes sense...but there is one problem. If the car is optimally tuned for pump gas.....there will be no need for race gas. But go ahead and spend the 12 bucks a gallon on your race gas and let me know how your "siturbo" runs. Hopefully the SSAC turbo doesn't eat the compressor wheel from the surge or the wastegate fall off while dj_simplisity is riding behind you in his dsm.
But anywho....I don't know crap so keep pumping your cars with race gas and good luck at the track.
Anyways....Who I am? I am a nice guy who has tinkered around on some things here and there. Tuned over a hundred cars, designed many aircraft and helicopter components, performed many stress and thermal analyses on jet and helicopter systems and just so happen to have a honda that uses the race gas in question and makes around 650whp on race gas and 510whp on pump gas. So ignoring anything that I have learned from my daily job of thermodynamics and combustion....and lets just look at what I have learned from tuning over a hundred or so cars.
When you run race gas.....why do want to ADD timing? It is because of the burn rate and the specific gravity of the gas. Race gas is less prone to detonation, primarily because of the burn rate and the stabilization of the fuel properties. Flash burn characteristics as you go up in motor octane improve and you can run more timing at a more controlled explosion.
So to recap....running a car that has been optimally tuned for 93 octane and now you put C16 in the car, I promise you the car will lose power. Not to mention losing all that money that you just spent on the race gas because you think you know what you are talking about.
Nice first post....kinda makes sense...but there is one problem. If the car is optimally tuned for pump gas.....there will be no need for race gas. But go ahead and spend the 12 bucks a gallon on your race gas and let me know how your "siturbo" runs. Hopefully the SSAC turbo doesn't eat the compressor wheel from the surge or the wastegate fall off while dj_simplisity is riding behind you in his dsm.
But anywho....I don't know crap so keep pumping your cars with race gas and good luck at the track.
1. Spell my name correctly if you want to mention me
2. You should really stop claiming other people's work as your own
3. ECU's do since timing, idiot.
4. "Race Gas" will not make the car slower ( For the third time Mr. Vin of the Honda world.
5. Going back to the ECU issue, if an ECU tells the vehicle what to do, as well as adjusting timing, it will notice the change in octane levels ( NOx, Hydrocarbon, cumbustion level ) in return adjusting timing accordingly.
I am willing to prove this. I will take my "eclipse that trails behind honduhs" to the track or dyno and prove this to you. To be honest with you I don't see me trailing behind any of the honduhs around here.
I am also sure that you want to know what work I am talking about you false claiming, and that would be your harnesses and most likely tuning skills or lack there of. Seeing that you believe that the same mechanics behind aero technology apply to those of auto technology.
As for talking shit to SiTurbo, he is a tuner also from Texas that also agrees that he wouldn't let you touch his car with a 10 ft. pole.
I edited your post. And I will continue if your posts are arrogant and cause problems with other user's on this board. If you want to PayPal me money for race gas I will call up a customer and show you race gas will make a properly tuned car slower. An EVO on the dyno. It made 495whp (or around) on pump gas and meth injection. Put C16 in the car. No other changes. Even let it cool down. Made 453 (or around). 60-1EK is not holier than thou. For the most part he knows what he is talking about
I went to the dyno a couple times with him a long time ago. He didnt mind giving his input, thoughts, ideas, etc. on certain things
I went to the dyno a couple times with him a long time ago. He didnt mind giving his input, thoughts, ideas, etc. on certain things1. I was not talking about you. I can read on who edits my posts. If you would have scrolled up a little bit more you would have seen what I was talking about.
2. You have every right to edit my post if you feel it is needed. That is your job as a mod. or what ever you may call it.
3. I will not give you money for a issue I can prove on my own with a bone stock car or with a modded car with my own race gas.
As for the rest of you reading this you can believe what you will on this. Hell just because I own a DSM does NOT mean that I have never owned, worked on, tuned, or modded a Honda or any other vehicle. IF you want someone that can prove power, numbers, and tell you what is wrong and right about tunning pm me or talk to Sypher.
You could run midget piss & the injectors would still spray the same amount of fuel & the ignition timing would remain the same until the vehicle started knocking & the pos factory knock sensor picked up the detonation and pulled timing per the programming on the unit being used.
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To address you first :
1. Spell my name correctly if you want to mention me
2. You should really stop claiming other people's work as your own
3. ECU's do since timing, idiot.
4. "Race Gas" will not make the car slower ( For the third time Mr. Vin of the Honda world.
5. Going back to the ECU issue, if an ECU tells the vehicle what to do, as well as adjusting timing, it will notice the change in octane levels ( NOx, Hydrocarbon, cumbustion level ) in return adjusting timing accordingly.
I am willing to prove this. I will take my "eclipse that trails behind honduhs" to the track or dyno and prove this to you. To be honest with you I don't see me trailing behind any of the honduhs around here.
I am also sure that you want to know what work I am talking about you false claiming, and that would be your harnesses and most likely tuning skills or lack there of. Seeing that you believe that the same mechanics behind aero technology apply to those of auto technology.
As for talking shit to SiTurbo, he is a tuner also from Texas that also agrees that he wouldn't let you touch his car with a 10 ft. pole.
1. Spell my name correctly if you want to mention me
2. You should really stop claiming other people's work as your own
3. ECU's do since timing, idiot.
4. "Race Gas" will not make the car slower ( For the third time Mr. Vin of the Honda world.
5. Going back to the ECU issue, if an ECU tells the vehicle what to do, as well as adjusting timing, it will notice the change in octane levels ( NOx, Hydrocarbon, cumbustion level ) in return adjusting timing accordingly.
I am willing to prove this. I will take my "eclipse that trails behind honduhs" to the track or dyno and prove this to you. To be honest with you I don't see me trailing behind any of the honduhs around here.
I am also sure that you want to know what work I am talking about you false claiming, and that would be your harnesses and most likely tuning skills or lack there of. Seeing that you believe that the same mechanics behind aero technology apply to those of auto technology.
As for talking shit to SiTurbo, he is a tuner also from Texas that also agrees that he wouldn't let you touch his car with a 10 ft. pole.
1. Roger that.
2. What are you refering to?
3. "ECU's do since timing, idiot"? If you tune a car...Hondata, AEM, Motec, FAST, Haltech, Crome, UD, Neptune, etc...you control the timing, retard. You set the values. The POS knock sensor will not respond quickly enough to compensate for anything.
4. Prove us wrong. Tune a car optimally on pump gas, 93 octane. Put C16 in the car and tell me what it's gonna make power wise.
5. Haha. Sure thing man.
What's your dsm run? Post up some pics of that mad tiiiiite machine.
My harnesses.....You sir have no clue what you are talking about. I have built with my own two hands more ecu harnesses than anyone out there that makes them. I sold my harness business to the guys at rywire in October 2005. You want to see the business papers where we signed things over? Or maybe the XX,000 dollars that I sold it for? What is your name? And how do you think you know me?
I never said I believed that aero and autos are the same. I simply stated a little history of what I do and some of the kinds of things I think my brain can handle.
So both you and Siturbo are tuners? And what part of Texas is he from? What is his name? Let's see your true names so we can really get a grasp on how sucky I am.
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1. Roger that.
2. What are you refering to?
3. "ECU's do since timing, idiot"? If you tune a car...Hondata, AEM, Motec, FAST, Haltech, Crome, UD, Neptune, etc...you control the timing, retard. You set the values. The POS knock sensor will not respond quickly enough to compensate for anything.
4. Prove us wrong. Tune a car optimally on pump gas, 93 octane. Put C16 in the car and tell me what it's gonna make power wise.
5. Haha. Sure thing man.
What's your dsm run? Post up some pics of that mad tiiiiite machine.
My harnesses.....You sir have no clue what you are talking about. I have built with my own two hands more ecu harnesses than anyone out there that makes them. I sold my harness business to the guys at rywire in October 2005. You want to see the business papers where we signed things over? Or maybe the XX,000 dollars that I sold it for? What is your name? And how do you think you know me?
I never said I believed that aero and autos are the same. I simply stated a little history of what I do and some of the kinds of things I think my brain can handle.
So both you and Siturbo are tuners? And what part of Texas is he from? What is his name? Let's see your true names so we can really get a grasp on how sucky I am.
1. Roger that.
2. What are you refering to?
3. "ECU's do since timing, idiot"? If you tune a car...Hondata, AEM, Motec, FAST, Haltech, Crome, UD, Neptune, etc...you control the timing, retard. You set the values. The POS knock sensor will not respond quickly enough to compensate for anything.
4. Prove us wrong. Tune a car optimally on pump gas, 93 octane. Put C16 in the car and tell me what it's gonna make power wise.
5. Haha. Sure thing man.
What's your dsm run? Post up some pics of that mad tiiiiite machine.
My harnesses.....You sir have no clue what you are talking about. I have built with my own two hands more ecu harnesses than anyone out there that makes them. I sold my harness business to the guys at rywire in October 2005. You want to see the business papers where we signed things over? Or maybe the XX,000 dollars that I sold it for? What is your name? And how do you think you know me?
I never said I believed that aero and autos are the same. I simply stated a little history of what I do and some of the kinds of things I think my brain can handle.
So both you and Siturbo are tuners? And what part of Texas is he from? What is his name? Let's see your true names so we can really get a grasp on how sucky I am.
You are the one that threw that "I work on helicopters ( by working on he means handing the wrench to the real tech while jerking off another one) and I know all about Hondas because of that. "
Well I worked on tanks in the Army, do you see me saying, well I found from putting a Tank on a all track dyno that putting C16 in a honda with stand alones will not make power.
SO this business you sold along with your 10 sec. car ( was it a burnt up Supra that you and Paul Walker rebulit? ) where are the pieces of evidence that they are real ? Show me where you can prove me wrong on this. Please prove it to me Obi Wan Honda............Or is it that I am just not worthy enough to learn the ways of vtec and putting helicopter turbos on them and tune them to run off of Crisco ?



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