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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Blown99civicSi
Explain yourself on this one? Now mabye on a NA car would the LS tranny be a bad idea due to its longer gears, But in a boosted aplication it works great! Some my not like the longer gears, but in laimens term, the longer you stay in boost the better I find myself in the middle to the top of 4th gear running through the 1320, which it blistering speeds from that tranny. And on the highway you can cruze at a descent speed without the worrie of engauging VTEC or sitting in the higher RPM's were gas consumption will be at its worst. If there was 1 thing I could pick out of the tranny for better it would be 3rd gear, thats it. Its a tad long for my tastes but nothing horrible or unmanagable. swaping a GSR 3rd gear in its place would make the LS tranny a TOP choice among the Turbocharged or Forced induction crowed

Back on topic If you would like an Idea as to a complete "TO-DO" list and costs, look in the Shop List on this forum and call a few of them. Im sure most of them listed will have a pretty good general idea as to the cost of the swap you are looking for and mabye a few good ideas to boot

True... on all what you said... i guess if you go boost.. ls tranny ant a bad way too go... DEPENDS on WHAT HE WANTS TO GO BOOST/ALL MOTOR??
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 06:44 AM
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Wrong.

That is a common misconception. Take 2 LS motors, exact same turbo setup and same psi. Now one has a GSR tranny and the other LS. GSR > LS everytime.

LS tranny has longer gears and therefore willl accelerate slower than a B16. It will also fall out of it's powerband due to the longer gears.

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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gixxer
Wrong.

That is a common misconception. Take 2 LS motors, exact same turbo setup and same psi. Now one has a GSR tranny and the other LS. GSR > LS everytime.

LS tranny has longer gears and therefore willl accelerate slower than a B16. It will also fall out of it's powerband due to the longer gears.
Just like an NA car can fall out of its power range, a boosted car can fall out of boost with an LS tranny, between shifts. I love my b16a 1-4 and LS 5th. Its the best of both worlds.
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gixxer
Wrong.

That is a common misconception. Take 2 LS motors, exact same turbo setup and same psi. Now one has a GSR tranny and the other LS. GSR > LS everytime.

LS tranny has longer gears and therefore willl accelerate slower than a B16. It will also fall out of it's powerband due to the longer gears.
Ok so you come and take a ride in my car and tell me it falls off between shifts doesnt happen, Now with that said like stated B4 the LS 3rd gear is a tad long but get this

These are all Hydro specs people

1st- The LS GSR and B16 trannys all share the same gearing
2nd- The LS and GSR share the same gear with the B16 being a tad shorter
3rd- The LS has a 1.269 the GSR has a 1.36 with the B16 having the shortest 1.458.
4th- The ls comes in at .996 the GSR at 1.034 and the B16 1.107
5th- the LS has a .714 the GSR has a .787 and the B16 has a .848
And both the GSR and B16 share the same final drive comming in at 4.4 were the LS has a 4.266.

With that said, look at the diffrences in how short the B16 tranny is, if you were to put this quick reving tranny on a 500HP FWD car you better be ready to practice not lighting the tires up in every gear(but that does not mean it does not work), the B16 has been said to be a awesome track tranny and sometimes even a killer nitrous tranny. People always lean towards the GSR tranny because it is the middle man, not to short not to long(juuuust right ) this tranny is the most popular tranny for the boosted boys, But that being said dont cound the me long gead LS tranny out yet, As stated above the LS tranny is a killer tranny of us highway junkies and high speed junkies, shoot put a shorter GSR final drive on that sucker and you get a GSR tranny with NUTZ, I have tested and tried each tranny on our(my) setup, the B16 was hard to lay the power to the ground, even with the correct suspension setup, traction bars and slicks the GSR tranny was a killer tranny but we found that the car wanted to shift into 5th B4 the end of the 1320 , we then went with the LS tranny, again with 1-2 being the same as the GSR no issues, 3rd was the only gear we didnt like, its not bad, but shifting from 8500RPM from 2nd to 3rd the RPM;s would go down to around 5300RPM which on a normal car would bring you out of VTEC and the POWER band as stated above, but who here drive a normal car alot of the people tinkering with tranny choices tend to have a nice strong able setup to boot and as we all know in our day and time VTEC adjustment is but a click away , I guess it all comes down to the setup and were it likes to make its power, if you have a torquey bottom feeder motor and want a fast 0-60 the B16 is the choice for you. If you have a motor that is a killer mid range HP monster the GSR or mabye even the LS will work great for you. Now if you have a motor that creates enough power to spin tires at 90+MPH then my bet is you will be picky as to what you want to run, the LS is a great long geared tranny that does well on 400HP car, The LS on our car felt the best besides the 3rd gear which we swaped for a GSR, The car never falls out of its power curve nor boost, and the car runs in excess of 23PSI on the street and 30 on race fuel..

Long story short, when choosing a tranny pick one that fits "YOUR" needs and not everyone elses..(IMHO )
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 07:11 PM
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Not everyone has a 500+ hp car, I'm talking about mostly stock STREET cars in general (which is what the original poster has).

Full out race cars will obviously be different. For his sake, a CRX with a C1 will run better with a GSR or B16 tranny then an LS.



Btw when can I get that ride?
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 07:45 PM
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i wanna say thank you 4 everybodys 2 cents so let me get this right would it be better to get a b16 rather then a gsr?
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 09:59 PM
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Do you do a lot of highway driving? If so, get a GSR tranny, best of both worlds.

Not crazy short like the B16 and better gearing than LS for your setup.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 02:28 PM
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^^+1 I was in no way pointing him towards the LS tranny, I just wanted to give some more insite into tranny selection rather than

"dont get this tranny" or I heard that tranny sux" , theres a LOT of Mis information on the web..

And as 4 the ride, anytime bro, LMK more than happy to lay some truth to some of my words
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 03:07 PM
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In no way did I say any tranny sucks. I mearly stated that I would suggest a b16/itr gearset & FD, possibly with a LS 5th. Thanks for the novel, do you really wink that much in real life?
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 03:15 PM
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???? sure J/K just trying to be nice, thats all. And sorry if you thought I was talking about your statment, I wasnt, I was just making a general statment, Novel?? just information, some people dont get the quick replys and aks the same question 10 times. Anyhoo off topic, GSR trans for your setup will be a good match....................................
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