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AEM has many more options then Hondata, but the cost of the unit, and the cost of tuning is much greater, Hondata will get the job done, and itself has had many advancments over the last few months.
So who around here knows how to tune AEM EMS well? Anyone....?
So who around here knows how to tune AEM EMS well? Anyone....?
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Another thing, I plug Hondata for a few reasons, 1. I use it. and 2. Im friends with a local tuner here on the board (Vapor) who knows the Hondata system inside and out. Frankly, for a Honda I wont use anything, or ANYONE else.
Feel free to contact Secret Services with any of your tuning needs.
Feel free to contact Secret Services with any of your tuning needs.
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You are right AEM costs more money.You get what you pay for.Going fast costs more money.I'm sure you can make about the same power on both.AEM has wide band O2 meaning no more need for dyno.Cost for tunning same as hondata or most of the time even less.You pay for dyno time.It takes twice as long to burn chips for hondata when your changes are instant on AEM.My car gets tuned at SFP(southern florida performance).Anyone that can tune hondata should not have much trouble tunning AEM.Also you can go to AEMPOWER.COM and download updates instantly.You wont find a better setup on the street.The AEM also now has traction control.
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aem is great if you have the money for it, and if you can find someone to teach you how to program it and what those adjustments will do. Ok you don't have to know how the aem can be programmed but I like to know whats going on with my car.
also if your staying with a standard turbo setup running less than 20psi and your using the car for street driving and a weekend track start then aem is a bit overkill. but if your car is drag only, and you have gone so far as to rip every bit of the interior out, and your running 30+psi then you may want to look into aem.
If your running on the street DO NOT run an open downpipe, with a honda and alteezas your already asking the cops to profile you as a street racer and are just giving them another excuse to pull you over. ditch the cat, if you want to keep the dual exhaust then look into partially removing the internals of each muffler so that you can lower back pressure but still keep the system as quiet as possible.
also if your staying with a standard turbo setup running less than 20psi and your using the car for street driving and a weekend track start then aem is a bit overkill. but if your car is drag only, and you have gone so far as to rip every bit of the interior out, and your running 30+psi then you may want to look into aem.
If your running on the street DO NOT run an open downpipe, with a honda and alteezas your already asking the cops to profile you as a street racer and are just giving them another excuse to pull you over. ditch the cat, if you want to keep the dual exhaust then look into partially removing the internals of each muffler so that you can lower back pressure but still keep the system as quiet as possible.
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Originally posted by qitstrn
I know alot of people run hondata,but there has been alot more advancments in computers since then.Ever heard of plug and play(AEM).Hondata is old.Your car looks nice but I think you might want to look in the back of it.Someone put an extra 2 mufflers back there.You need an open downpipe.
I know alot of people run hondata,but there has been alot more advancments in computers since then.Ever heard of plug and play(AEM).Hondata is old.Your car looks nice but I think you might want to look in the back of it.Someone put an extra 2 mufflers back there.You need an open downpipe.
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ok. I know I am going to get flamed for this but here it is....
If you are looking to build a turbo, custom is good and it maybe cheap but the hassle isn't worth it....
If you want to do it right and save yourself the hassle then get a greddy kit and get the right fuel management system. I currrently have the new Greddy Profec EO1 with emanage in my car. The hondata is nice but it is alittle rough for running on the street the emanage and the profec are more streetable. I am currently completing my car and I am going to get it tuned over at Secret Services.
As for racing zone yes they are alittle pricey but they are worth every little penny. You don't just have to buy from them you can get it from other places too. There are alot companies and deals out their but at least if you want to keep your motor and save yourself the trouble do it right the first time.
As for the altezzas they are nice as for the exhaust loose the dual exhaust and get a full catback system and loose the cat.
Roadtoad
If you are looking to build a turbo, custom is good and it maybe cheap but the hassle isn't worth it....
If you want to do it right and save yourself the hassle then get a greddy kit and get the right fuel management system. I currrently have the new Greddy Profec EO1 with emanage in my car. The hondata is nice but it is alittle rough for running on the street the emanage and the profec are more streetable. I am currently completing my car and I am going to get it tuned over at Secret Services.
As for racing zone yes they are alittle pricey but they are worth every little penny. You don't just have to buy from them you can get it from other places too. There are alot companies and deals out their but at least if you want to keep your motor and save yourself the trouble do it right the first time.
As for the altezzas they are nice as for the exhaust loose the dual exhaust and get a full catback system and loose the cat.
Roadtoad
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Originally posted by roadtoad
ok. I know I am going to get flamed for this but here it is....
If you are looking to build a turbo, custom is good and it maybe cheap but the hassle isn't worth it....
If you want to do it right and save yourself the hassle then get a greddy kit and get the right fuel management system. I currrently have the new Greddy Profec EO1 with emanage in my car. The hondata is nice but it is alittle rough for running on the street the emanage and the profec are more streetable. I am currently completing my car and I am going to get it tuned over at Secret Services.
As for racing zone yes they are alittle pricey but they are worth every little penny. You don't just have to buy from them you can get it from other places too. There are alot companies and deals out their but at least if you want to keep your motor and save yourself the trouble do it right the first time.
As for the altezzas they are nice as for the exhaust loose the dual exhaust and get a full catback system and loose the cat.
Roadtoad
ok. I know I am going to get flamed for this but here it is....
If you are looking to build a turbo, custom is good and it maybe cheap but the hassle isn't worth it....
If you want to do it right and save yourself the hassle then get a greddy kit and get the right fuel management system. I currrently have the new Greddy Profec EO1 with emanage in my car. The hondata is nice but it is alittle rough for running on the street the emanage and the profec are more streetable. I am currently completing my car and I am going to get it tuned over at Secret Services.
As for racing zone yes they are alittle pricey but they are worth every little penny. You don't just have to buy from them you can get it from other places too. There are alot companies and deals out their but at least if you want to keep your motor and save yourself the trouble do it right the first time.
As for the altezzas they are nice as for the exhaust loose the dual exhaust and get a full catback system and loose the cat.
Roadtoad
it IS worth the "hassel" to save $$$ and have a good kit... not one with a shitty wastegate or other things that you will want to replace after spending your $3000 on it...
greddy kits on hondas do not make power. PERIOD!!! the turbos are just too small... also i am not a big fan of the internal wastegate...
hondata... you should not give advice about things in which you know nothing... i have personaly run hondata on a civic hatch with a t3/t04e and made 285.8 WHP on a STOCK longblock and drove it to and from work and school... ran like stock (stock with GOOOBBBSSSS of HP and TQ)
and the altezzas are still gay... sell them!!!
the ONE thing out of that post that i would agree with is the advice about getting rid of the exhaust... it is ugly...
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Originally posted by `92CXhatch
im not going to flame you just correct all the mistakes in your post... i will start from the top...
it IS worth the "hassel" to save $$$ and have a good kit... not one with a shitty wastegate or other things that you will want to replace after spending your $3000 on it...
greddy kits on hondas do not make power. PERIOD!!! the turbos are just too small... also i am not a big fan of the internal wastegate...
hondata... you should not give advice about things in which you know nothing... i have personaly run hondata on a civic hatch with a t3/t04e and made 285.8 WHP on a STOCK longblock and drove it to and from work and school... ran like stock (stock with GOOOBBBSSSS of HP and TQ)
and the altezzas are still gay... sell them!!!
the ONE thing out of that post that i would agree with is the advice about getting rid of the exhaust... it is ugly...
-Keith
im not going to flame you just correct all the mistakes in your post... i will start from the top...
it IS worth the "hassel" to save $$$ and have a good kit... not one with a shitty wastegate or other things that you will want to replace after spending your $3000 on it...
greddy kits on hondas do not make power. PERIOD!!! the turbos are just too small... also i am not a big fan of the internal wastegate...
hondata... you should not give advice about things in which you know nothing... i have personaly run hondata on a civic hatch with a t3/t04e and made 285.8 WHP on a STOCK longblock and drove it to and from work and school... ran like stock (stock with GOOOBBBSSSS of HP and TQ)
and the altezzas are still gay... sell them!!!
the ONE thing out of that post that i would agree with is the advice about getting rid of the exhaust... it is ugly...
-Keith
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Originally posted by roadtoad
The hondata is nice but it is alittle rough for running on the street the emanage and the profec are more streetable.
The hondata is nice but it is alittle rough for running on the street the emanage and the profec are more streetable.
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qitstrn You are right AEM costs more money.You get what you pay for.Going fast costs more money.I'm sure you can make about the same power on both.AEM has wide band O2 meaning no more need for dyno.Cost for tunning same as hondata or most of the time even less.You pay for dyno time.It takes twice as long to burn chips for hondata when your changes are instant on AEM.My car gets tuned at SFP(southern florida performance).Anyone that can tune hondata should not have much trouble tunning AEM.Also you can go to AEMPOWER.COM and download updates instantly.You wont find a better setup on the street.The AEM also now has traction control.
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You must purchase the wideband seperatly, this is NOT a replacment for dyno time. How else would you know how much power your putting down? It takes like, what? 30-90 seconds to burn an EEPROM? You can download updates to the Hondata software from their site as well. AEM may support traction control, but does any Honda have it? Maybe the S2k?
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Roadtoad....
Keith took care of you already.
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60-1EK: Agreed, Hondata idled my 450's perfectly. Especially compared to my SAFC, sheesh....
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You must purchase the wideband seperatly, this is NOT a replacment for dyno time. How else would you know how much power your putting down? It takes like, what? 30-90 seconds to burn an EEPROM? You can download updates to the Hondata software from their site as well. AEM may support traction control, but does any Honda have it? Maybe the S2k?
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Roadtoad....
Keith took care of you already.
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60-1EK: Agreed, Hondata idled my 450's perfectly. Especially compared to my SAFC, sheesh....
