TT346 LS1 goes 8.5 @ 162 with stock crank,stock block, stock head castings
Originally posted by Scott
And to me having 400-600 under a right foot at anytime without hoping if the bottle is empty or how many runs one might get is great. Plus no worries about the dreaded nitrous pop.
And to me having 400-600 under a right foot at anytime without hoping if the bottle is empty or how many runs one might get is great. Plus no worries about the dreaded nitrous pop.

They are only good for max effort ? Why ? Put in one bar of boost and you have just about doubled your best n/a attempt with the same motor.
If you have extra money...or are reaching for extreme HP from a givin cubes...turbo it is.
Just sit down and plan out a car that has a specific goal in terms of HP. Say...500 rwhp. At that level..you have many options. Use either a 351 based motor or an LS1. You could do it NA with more cubes and a serious build, nitrous, S/C or turbo. Nitrous would likely be the most cost effective. Turbo would be quite expensive in comparison....and for a measly 500 rwhp? So for me...I would not spend that extra cash. Id put it in the chassis or a tranny or a CONVERTER

Use the same modle for a car that needs 1000 hp from the same motors. Now turbo looks alot more attractive...even in terms of money comparisons. A 1000 hp LS1 on nitrous will likely cost as much in the end as a turbo setup of the same HP. The nitrous version would almost certainly be solid roller with super expensive heads, larger cubes with expensive crank, intake, headers, etc. The turbo would probably be in the same ballpark in cost but using heads like the regular LS1 stage II's, normal hydrualic cam and valvetrain, LS6 intake, etc ,etc just like the one Kurt put together that made 1300hp to keep cost down.
The turbo cars are just as consistantly fast as anything else at any stage of the game.
Thats my philosophy. If someone just has to have a turbo...then all that is moot. There is a coolness factor to a turbo for some. Me...I could care less. I will do whatever is required to reach my goals at the time for the least amount of cash.
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Look Al your being a heel nibbler again, I knew you had to go off topic again. Never the instigator right ? 
Scott...fact is your car has had more backfires through the intake than my nitrous car has ever had. I have had zero. I have no worries of nitrous backfires. And what would you know about 600 rwhp?
@ my backfires could you tell me about them because I do not seem to recall them ? Then there are the ones you will never talk about. 
And I didn't say I had 600 rwhp nor did I need that or more to go 10's.
But hey who is counting right ?
when cost is a factor...and your goal is not that lofty in terms of HP, Nitrous is the best answer.
If you have extra money...or are reaching for extreme HP from a givin cubes...turbo it is.
well at least you are honest sometimes but still disagree no matter how scientific you try to make it sound.
Actually...I disagree. I have seen several turbo turds that are not mated to thier setup well. More of a dyno queen than something that will actually get down the track well. A nitrous setup seems to be more forgiving in that regard.
Yes that are a lot of LS1 turbo turds out there from what I have read then there are some good runnin gones too but they seem to be few and far between. How would a nitrous setup be more forgiving ? You can control thepower of a turbo car with the twist of a knob.
Me...I could care less. I will do whatever is required to reach my goals at the time for the least amount of cash.
And you have already said a turbo is the way to go.
So which is it ?
BTW good job being consistant on the edit button, keep up the good work.

Scott...fact is your car has had more backfires through the intake than my nitrous car has ever had. I have had zero. I have no worries of nitrous backfires. And what would you know about 600 rwhp?
@ my backfires could you tell me about them because I do not seem to recall them ? Then there are the ones you will never talk about. And I didn't say I had 600 rwhp nor did I need that or more to go 10's.
But hey who is counting right ? when cost is a factor...and your goal is not that lofty in terms of HP, Nitrous is the best answer.
If you have extra money...or are reaching for extreme HP from a givin cubes...turbo it is.
well at least you are honest sometimes but still disagree no matter how scientific you try to make it sound.
Actually...I disagree. I have seen several turbo turds that are not mated to thier setup well. More of a dyno queen than something that will actually get down the track well. A nitrous setup seems to be more forgiving in that regard.
Yes that are a lot of LS1 turbo turds out there from what I have read then there are some good runnin gones too but they seem to be few and far between. How would a nitrous setup be more forgiving ? You can control thepower of a turbo car with the twist of a knob.
Me...I could care less. I will do whatever is required to reach my goals at the time for the least amount of cash.
And you have already said a turbo is the way to go.
So which is it ?BTW good job being consistant on the edit button, keep up the good work.
Ill never understand how you can so consistantly twist shit to fit. I was simply stating my views in a matter of fact way and now your upset. Seemed to me this was on topic for the most part....until now.
Scott...I have NEVER had a nitrous backfire. Not once...ever! Sorry to dissapoint...no need to try to fabricate BS. You did have those carb farts you try so hard to deny. The whole stands saw it. Its really not a big deal....dont know why you are so touchy with that. Maybe it doesnt jive with your "perfect" setup you like to portray.
Nitrous can be more forgiving because on and off points are a matter of swapping rpm pills and the Tq is instant and huge. You can tailor those activation point and power levels much easier.
I never said turbo is solely the way to go. I said its the way to go if you want huge power for a max effort. With mid range goals there are multiple choices that may make better sense...especially from a cost POV.
You act as if editing my posts...rewriteing certain parts to be clearer, and correcting spelling is something negative? Sorry...just dont see it.
Scott...I have NEVER had a nitrous backfire. Not once...ever! Sorry to dissapoint...no need to try to fabricate BS. You did have those carb farts you try so hard to deny. The whole stands saw it. Its really not a big deal....dont know why you are so touchy with that. Maybe it doesnt jive with your "perfect" setup you like to portray.
Nitrous can be more forgiving because on and off points are a matter of swapping rpm pills and the Tq is instant and huge. You can tailor those activation point and power levels much easier.
I never said turbo is solely the way to go. I said its the way to go if you want huge power for a max effort. With mid range goals there are multiple choices that may make better sense...especially from a cost POV.
You act as if editing my posts...rewriteing certain parts to be clearer, and correcting spelling is something negative? Sorry...just dont see it.
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Oh...and we have gone over this many many times...but since you like to revisit it now and then.
My car at 500 rwhp= 10.4 at 131 mph
Your car at 500 rwhp= 10.95 at 126mph
I dont need 600 rwhp for 10s either
My car at 500 rwhp= 10.4 at 131 mph
Your car at 500 rwhp= 10.95 at 126mph
I dont need 600 rwhp for 10s either
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Originally posted by HybridSS
You did have those carb farts you try so hard to deny. The whole stands saw it. Its really not a big deal....dont know why you are so touchy with that.
You act as if editing my posts...rewriteing certain parts to be clearer, and correcting spelling is something negative? Sorry...just dont see it.
You did have those carb farts you try so hard to deny. The whole stands saw it. Its really not a big deal....dont know why you are so touchy with that.
You act as if editing my posts...rewriteing certain parts to be clearer, and correcting spelling is something negative? Sorry...just dont see it.
Touchy because it never happened, thats all. Only thing you guys saw was a run with a mostly empty fuel tank that went dry on the hit. The reason I know this is because it is the only time I have purchased race gas at the track in 14 years of going there. Did you see it two times ? Ever heard about it again ? Ask your RX buddies they watched me make 5-6 runs. Looks like Porsche Dud is corrupting you even further than I thought.
As far a editing goes you are off on the wrong page yet again. I am not referencing you "rewriting" certain parts and correcting spelling I am talking about you editing posts last week that contained off topic bullshit similar to what Gator has posted yet his shit still stands. I could personally care less but if you are going to do it then be consistant. Heck if you adhere to the same rules as last week none of these replies should even been here.
But whatever, I am always the asshole. 
Just goes to show some of you are always looking to start shit with me no matter what I say. I make somewhat of a compliment about this Harlan guy and it comes to this again (me as focal point).
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Originally posted by HybridSS
Oh...and we have gone over this many many times...but since you like to revisit it now and then.
My car at 500 rwhp= 10.4 at 131 mph
Your car at 500 rwhp= 10.95 at 126mph
I dont need 600 rwhp for 10s either
Oh...and we have gone over this many many times...but since you like to revisit it now and then.
My car at 500 rwhp= 10.4 at 131 mph
Your car at 500 rwhp= 10.95 at 126mph
I dont need 600 rwhp for 10s either
My car has never made 500 rwhp as you are always so quick to point out.
And you have posted about making 700 rwhp at one point.But you left this out:
Your car = 383ci (and not a factory shortblock)
My car = 302ci (has not been cracked apart other than cam since 1990)

Your car = how many years with juice to go 10's ?
My car = first time to track after completed goes 10's.

Yeah you got me.
Of course I will not make excuses for not being able to run the auto out the back door yet but I guarantee you it will be as fast or faster than your 10.4 @ 131. I mean shit I already have your 60ft. and 1/8th mile times covered.
Sorry...its not my fault you are pretty much thought of in this GM forum as an "assclown".
You have built your own reputation here. Want to post here without getting backlash...change your tactics. I am not going to force the regular GM people that post in this section to cater to you by editing them and thier opinions. 90% of the time you post here to create a stir...and you know it. Gator jumped on you a bit this time (sounds like he was drunk
)...but thats based on many previous encounters.
The common factor to all of the blown up threads is always, always YOU.
Editing that last week was a mistake...my apologies....wont happen again...I guarentee that.
You have built your own reputation here. Want to post here without getting backlash...change your tactics. I am not going to force the regular GM people that post in this section to cater to you by editing them and thier opinions. 90% of the time you post here to create a stir...and you know it. Gator jumped on you a bit this time (sounds like he was drunk
)...but thats based on many previous encounters.The common factor to all of the blown up threads is always, always YOU.
Editing that last week was a mistake...my apologies....wont happen again...I guarentee that.
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Originally posted by Scott
My car has never made 500 rwhp as you are always so quick to point out.
And you have posted about making 700 rwhp at one point.
But you left this out:
Your car = 383ci (and not a factory shortblock)
My car = 302ci (has not been cracked apart other than cam since 1990)
Your car = how many years with juice to go 10's ?
My car = first time to track after completed goes 10's.
Yeah you got me.
My car has never made 500 rwhp as you are always so quick to point out.
And you have posted about making 700 rwhp at one point.But you left this out:
Your car = 383ci (and not a factory shortblock)
My car = 302ci (has not been cracked apart other than cam since 1990)

Your car = how many years with juice to go 10's ?
My car = first time to track after completed goes 10's.

Yeah you got me.
Again me at 500 rwhp = 10.4 at 131 time after time
you at 500 rwhp barely cracking 10s
I went 10.7s second time to the track after the 383 was done back in winter of 2000.
You are correct my car is a 383...you would be correct that I am alot faster too only pushing it to 6/7 of its past capabilties. But who cares.....about all that.
Im just trying to figure out why your such an asshole.
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Originally posted by HybridSS
I went 10.7s second time to the track after the 383 was done back in winter of 2000.
I went 10.7s second time to the track after the 383 was done back in winter of 2000.
So you have been going at it for 4 years and this is it ?

Yep I am a asshole, to a select few of you that have earned it.

Glad we have established a few facts.
Psst...Scott...havent you had your car for 14 years????
And check out the below qoutes...which is it...450..500...ot whichever is convienent to back your ever changing arguement. Im gonna start calling you John kerry..waffle man.

And check out the below qoutes...which is it...450..500...ot whichever is convienent to back your ever changing arguement. Im gonna start calling you John kerry..waffle man.
Originally posted by Scott
My car has never made 500 rwhp as you are always so quick to point out. :
My car has never made 500 rwhp as you are always so quick to point out. :
Originally posted by Scott
For the boost I ended at yesterday(11.4) which is what was used on the 10.99 run was right at 450 rwhp on Sams dyno which would be right at 500 on a Dynojet.
For the boost I ended at yesterday(11.4) which is what was used on the 10.99 run was right at 450 rwhp on Sams dyno which would be right at 500 on a Dynojet.
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