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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 04:44 PM
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If thats the dumbest thing you ever herd, you havent been on TR very long.
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 06:08 AM
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What is the Chevy Volt?
1. Plug-in Hybrid
2. Electric Vehicle
3. Whatever GM says it is

Plug-in Hybrid 67.16% (2,337 votes)

Electric Vehicle 7.1% (247 votes)

Whatever GM says it is 25.75% (896 votes)


Total Votes: 3,480

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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by zhillz
If thats the dumbest thing you ever herd, you havent been on TR very long.

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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Dave
Correct, a generator generates electricity, it does not turn axles which turn tires which move a car.

Did you even follow the link with all of the details?

Yeah, I did.... no where have I seen an article that says the gas motor is actually connected to axles that drive the wheels. They all say that at certain times the gas motor kicks in to produce electricity for an electric motor that drives the wheels, even if the batteries aren't dead yet.... like an electric turbo boost when more juice is needed. The gas engine doesn't directly drive the car though.
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 03:18 PM
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Dude, seriously. Prepare to be OWNED!

From this link: How GM "Lied" About The Electric Car

The Chevy Volt has been hailed as General Motors' electric savior. Now, as GM officially rolls out the Volt this week for public consumption, we're told the much-touted fuel economy was misstated and GM "lied" about the car being all-electric.

In the past, and based on GM's claims, we've gone so far as to call the Volt GM's "Jesus Car." And why wouldn't we call it that? We were told the Volt would achieve 230 MPG fuel economy and would always use the electric drivetrain to motivate the wheels — only using the onboard gasoline engine as a "range extender" for charging the batteries. It now turns out that not only were those fuel economy claims misleading, but the gasoline engine is actually used to motivate the wheels — making the Volt potentially nothing more than a very advanced hybrid car and pushing some automotive journalists like Scott Oldham at Edmunds.com to claim "GM lied to the world" about it.

First of all, let's talk about fuel economy. In August of last year, we heard GM's then-CEO Fritz Henderson claimed with all the marketing might it could muster at a Detroit-area press event, that the Chevy Volt would get 230 MPG in city driving conditions. Now, as the Volt's being tested by the auto trade press, we're seeing some surprisingly low fuel economy figures amid the expected lavish praise buff books are heaping upon the Volt.

Let's see what they've found out. Popular Mechanics saw just 37.5 MPG in city driving. Car and Driver apparently didn't choose to use their wheel time for any city driving — but found with all-electric driving

"...getting on the nearest highway and commuting with the 80-mph flow of traffic-basically the worst-case scenario-yielded 26 miles; a fairly spirited back-road loop netted 31; and a carefully modulated cruise below 60 mph pushed the figure into the upper 30s."

Motor Trend, like the rest of the trade press other than Popular Mechanics, didn't appear to do any testing in city conditions, but did find that

"Without any plugging in, [a weeklong trip to Grandma's house] should return fuel economy in the high 30s to low 40s."

They also parrot GM's new line of 25-50 miles of all-electric — a far cry from the 230 MPG they originally marketed — that the "Volt provides 25-50 miles of real-world electric operation no matter how hard you flog it."

But while even providing only 10% of the fuel economy initially touted, these more real-world figures are merely an exaggeration. The bigger problem is that, as Mr. Oldham now claims, is that GM lied to them about the powertrain.

Since the Volt was first unveiled as a concept car, GM engineers, public relations staff and executives have all claimed adamantly that the internal combustion engine did not motivate the wheels. If that were the case then the Volt would be nothing more than a very advanced hybrid. Even as late into the development cycle as this June, we were told the only drivetrain that motivated the wheels was the electric one. The auto trade press swallowed the line, hook and the sinker. Sam Abulesmaid at Autoblog even ran a piece headlined "Repeat after us: The Chevrolet Volt's gas engine does not drive the wheels!." And why shouldn't he have lapped it up when in online chats, the Volt's chief engineer Andrew Farah was saying:

"you're correct that the electric motor is always powering the wheels, whereas in a typical hybrid vehicle the electric motor and the gasoline engine can power the wheels. The greatest advantage of an extended-range electric vehicle like the Volt is the increased all electric range and the significant total vehicle range combined."

This meant that the gasoline engine was nothing more than a "range extender" designed to charge the batteries which would allow the electric drivetrain to continue to move the car — and allow GM to claim that the Volt was something different, something new and something worthy of taxpayer dollars.

It turns out that's not correct. We're now told by Volt's engineering team that when the Volt's lithium-ion battery pack runs down and at speeds near or above 70 mph the Volt's gasoline engine will directly drive the front wheels along with the electric motors.

That means that for all of the all-electric or extended-range electric vehicle (EREV) hype GM's imbuing in the Volt, it's really nothing more than a plug-in hybrid vehicle. A very advanced plug-in hybrid, but a hybrid nonetheless.

That's enough for Mr. Oldham to claim GM lied to the world and to then go ahead and endorse (via a retweet on Twitter) the all-electric Nissan Leaf (full disclosure — Mr. Oldham's brother works for Nissan) as the only choice for an electric car.

It's enough for us to wonder why GM pushed the 230 MPG number in the first place and why they didn't just come clean on the powertrain this summer when asked a straightforward question.
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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December issue of Motor Trend. Cover is: 101MPH and 127 MPG. We torture test the high-tech CHEVY VOLT. The future is here. And it works.

It has a COMPLETE tear down of the car and shows you pictures of the skeleton of the car/motor.
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 09:20 AM
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^cool. Nice to an actual article instead of the normal speculation BS they always have on jalopnik.

So according to the motor trend test, there is a clutch that can engage and connect the engine to the transmission and help drive the car, but it only does so when the batteries are depleted and above 70mph. So in other words not very often and the rest of the time it really is running on just an electric motor. So it doesn't work 100% the way GM originally said... so what. This car has been in development for a long time and maybe after some testing they found this way works better so they changed it, and now it doesn't match how they originally said it would work. If it improves efficiency 10-15% at freeway speeds like they said, I fail to see the problem. Better is better... you guys are just being the typical cry baby GM haterz this forum is known for.
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Originally Posted by FoxHondaRider
1st define a race car. I would consider my fucking Civic more of a race car then the regular ass vettes. Z06 and ZR1 is a different story. But even the Z06 C5 is hella gay.

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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 10:10 AM
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i dont understand any of you that actually think GM is trying to improve anything here. they are a bunch of lying fucks who dont give a shit about building an electric car.

they had a perfect one. anyone remeber the EV1? anyone see how shady they fucking were with it? watch "Who killed the electric car"... youll see what i mean. that shit got like 100 miles+ to the charge. they didnt let anyone actually buy one, only lease it. then they took them to the desert and crushed them. anything to keep their pockets fat. they were too busy getting their fucking dicks wet in the oil business to try and make a car that would completely change the industry.

they also baught the patent for the battery that could hold that kind of a charge. a completely different design. they baught it, then burried that shit so noone else could make it. theres ONE EV1 left in GM's inventory storage, and they destroyed the drivetrain out of it.

all this company is and ever will be is a shady fucking group of goons.
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 10:16 AM
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how in the fuck doesnt anyone remeber the EV1? this car is not the fucking "electric savior" of gm! they dont give a fuck about anyone or anything beside themselvs and money.
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AaronGTR
Yeah, I did.... no where have I seen an article that says the gas motor is actually connected to axles that drive the wheels. They all say that at certain times the gas motor kicks in to produce electricity for an electric motor that drives the wheels, even if the batteries aren't dead yet.... like an electric turbo boost when more juice is needed. The gas engine doesn't directly drive the car though.
Holy fuck, the Volt has TURBO BOOST?!

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