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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Aoshi
I hardly find that our problem. Charging 700 for a water pump install isn't exactly smart, when the pump itself is 150, and the new belt is 30. Now, would you rather get a couple hundred for your time, or nothing.

Johnny is selling one apple for 1 thousand dollars, and suzie is selling 1000 apples for 1 dollar each. Who do you think is going to get the thousand first? Lower prices for good work is going to bring you referral customers and repeat customers, while high prices may get you the money you need at first, you'll end up finding that your fucking yourself in the end.

and you need 3 mechanics to start out with why?
You need to look at what most shops work with. Doing a water pump on a PT cruiser is not a piece of cake. Your looking at pretty much dropping the entire front end out of the vehicle. Not only do you have to remove the timing belt cover, but the crank pulley requires a special puller and you have to disconnect the A/C. Now Johnny might be able to get away with doing the work for $450, but a shop has to have the equipment to recover the R-134a or face a fine if caught releasing it to the atmosphere. And if the bearing has not been replaced to the new style, that is another part to change.

Engineers are not mechanics, so all they have to worry about is putting the package in the car, when the mechanic has to dig halfway into the car to do anything, thats where the labor adds up.

Shops really do not make much on the smaller parts, its the big kits where you might make some cash. The labor of installing the part is where the money is.

As far as needing 3 mechanics, the shop I am looking to run will be doing a little bit of everything, not general specific, and not afraid to play with modified cars either. If there are cars sitting in the parking lot waiting to come in, your not making money. So you can have one mechanic, but I forsee a little more work showing up in the beginning.

I have had a shop before, and I have always been fair with my pricing.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by HaZed
I would much prefer to DIY with any work with my car. I like to learn as i go and have screwed myself in the past. The reasons why i tend to stay away from shops as much as possible is 1) the money it takes to do anything. Im a broke full-time college student. I cant afford 60-80/hr for labor. 2)doing some reasearch usually proves that i can find the same parts for cheaper then what shops charge for them. 3) i have a hard time trusting shops/employees. I always feel as if im getting screwed over on stuff i have no knowledge about. I would prefer to wait 6 hours for my car to be completed then leave and come back while some punk kid takes my car for a joyride. (i used to do it when i was 17 in NY when i worked at a tire shop.) and 4) like i said, i enjoy learning about the engine and how things work and dont mind getting my hands dirty at all. good luck with the new shop! when/where is it?
I am far from being a 17 yr old kid...

And, with an ASE certified shop, all you have to do is complain to ASE with the members number and name and they can have their credentials revoked. Not looking to lose out on over 5 yrs of work getting my ASE Master to lose it joyriding somebodies Neon...
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TokyoBeBop
Yes I have and idea how much it will take to open the shop, but this thread is you asking what the TR community is looking for. And you taking out what we are looking for, then you are just wasting your time.

As for parts that most of the TR community needs, I'm sure there are reputable shops (to them) that have it on hand. And when it comes to prices on parts, you won't peel me away from RX Motoring unless you can provide me with a very reasonable competitve price to convince me to buy from you.

So pretty much the TR community is looking for a "cheaper" price if you want our business. Service or Retail price, choose where you want to cut down.
This thread was meant for a business demographic. Meaning if there are shops in Tampa that cater to everything you may need. Such as a speed shop where you can get your fittings, or special parts from. Or just a general automotive shop not afraid to install your Ebay parts your afraid to install on your own car.

Any shop opening the doors for the first time would try to undercut every shop out there to sway the business. But at the same time most of you do not realize the difference between Johnny's backyard prices, and shop required fees.

Another thing, you get what you pay for. How many shops on here get bashed because a kid drops his car off at a shop, and they do the work asked for, but do not wipe a fingerprint off a fender... Next thing you know the kid is on TR posting about the worst experience they received at that shop.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCamel
Or just a general automotive shop not afraid to install your Ebay parts your afraid to install on your own car.
Too much of a liability on the shop's end and not much money to be made, I know this from first hand experience. With today's economy it is not a wise idea to open up another "speed shop" in the already saturated Tampa market.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirk
Too much of a liability on the shop's end and not much money to be made, I know this from first hand experience. With today's economy it is not a wise idea to open up another "speed shop" in the already saturated Tampa market.
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go look and see how many shops are in the shop forum

and thats just shops on TR
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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toyota chaser parts.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Silvia_San
toyota chaser parts.
Explain to me where the profit for a shop is in that?

It would require a minimum of 20 Chasers in the area, and all of them coming to that shop only to even justify carrying basic items. I know the VIP scene is starting to transfer into the US, but there is not enough of a market in Tampa right now to even justify something like that. Not to mention that the Chaser covers way to many years of production.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCamel
This thread was meant for a business demographic. Meaning if there are shops in Tampa that cater to everything you may need. Such as a speed shop where you can get your fittings, or special parts from. Or just a general automotive shop not afraid to install your Ebay parts your afraid to install on your own car.

Any shop opening the doors for the first time would try to undercut every shop out there to sway the business. But at the same time most of you do not realize the difference between Johnny's backyard prices, and shop required fees.

Another thing, you get what you pay for. How many shops on here get bashed because a kid drops his car off at a shop, and they do the work asked for, but do not wipe a fingerprint off a fender... Next thing you know the kid is on TR posting about the worst experience they received at that shop.
Well you're asking the wrong demographic. I also had the same idea to open up a shop in this area before, and I lurked around long enough to learn the "demographic". I also been to numerous shops in the Tampa area just to see the trend of their business, and I did learn that I'm just setting up myself for failure if I go on with it.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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tampa needs a shop that has a mandrel tube bender
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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I think better examination of a cost and time estimate would be nice. I would rather sit down with a shop foreman for a half hour and really crank out numbers and consider possible speed bumps and different routes for a project, rather than get a ballpark time and cost estimate off the top of their head. I have never heard of a project taking up just the estimated time and cost, and it's rarely anywhere near. I think if more time were spent really evaluating the scope of the project and getting a better idea of what the customer wants and what the shop can do, it would really help bring things back down to Earth in terms of realistic estimates. It doesn't help that shops take on more work than they have time for, either.
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