Originally Posted by Santos
im not mad, its just information thats incorrect is worse than no information, there is nothing wrong with trying to help and its actually a good thing, just becareful the information you spread on the internet cause some people will believe it. and 30lbs is alot on any motor, not just a 2jz or s2k or whatever, you have to have a built motor and a very good tune and usually race gas to get away with it. you can run 30lbs on any motor will it last and will the turbo efficient at the 30lbs is another factor. i got nothing against you cuz, i just hate seeing crazy information. and you are right a 2jz in an s2k will be fun on low boost, will be a blast on high boost (done right)

oh and its jack ass, not jake ass...lol

but im not mad at you or hate, hell i dont know you...lol.


he was talking aou a stock motor, never said anything about single turbo, supporting mods and all, that is doable as you and your wife said, but we were talking about a bone stock 2jz...i know what supras are capable of, my favorite car on earth since i have been into them, i know you know them very well, but am i crazy for saying that 30lbs on a stock 2jz is ridiculous? i know what they can handle stock block and all but again that was not the discussion...a built motor is more than likely the best idea if you plan on running 30lbs. well i just had to get that across, ill stick to what i can afford at the moment and thats hondas...lol... i miss your black supra you had but loving the red (fav color)

also congrats on the niece, tell chantal i said hello, she is very good friends with my wife and i.

delete when you wish


just had to clear this up

 

The only reason I said it would blow up at 30psi is because of the way he put it.

I figured edmel meant to buy a boost controller of some sort and "crank" the boost up,i don't know the size or anything of the stock twins,but i figured that would lean the motor out like hell.

 

wouldnt this type of convo directed at one person ("To Kirk") be done in a pm's...theres a reason for them!

 

yeah matt thats how i took it, and at that rate somethings gotta give at 30lbs all stock. i just wanted kirk to see this, cuz they quickly jumped on what i said and made it seem like i didnt know what i was talking about, i take that serious...lol.

 

right....so why try to prove your point to all of TR if you just wanted Kirk to see this! he would have seen it just fine in a PM...am i wrong??? im not trying to be an asshole or anything... I just dont get the purpose of it being made into a thread when a PM would be more appropriate

 

well i could have sent it to pm, but felt like i would make a thread, its done and over with and when he reads it he will delete it, also his wife said something to so i figured i could clear it up as well, one thread or 2 pms...lol ill go with one thread..its not really that big of a deal but its already done.

 

yea...what the fuck do i care! its late and im tired...felt like stirrin the pot a bit i guess!

 

This should have been done in PMs, as you're asking to rekindle a thread that was brought down QUICK. I'll leave it open if everyone wants to play nice.

First of all, if you say 30 PSI, forget the stock twins. They are barely starting to go out of their efficiency range at 18-19 psi (which is an ideal street setup), and past that you'll be running race gas, which is a waste of money since you're only getting a couple HP for each extra PSI past that. I've never heard of the stock twins running 30 psi, but I have heard of them running 25-29 and replacing the turbos within a week. Not the motor, however.

Plenty of guys running 30PSI on single turbo setups on the stock engine. Plenty. 700-800+WHP, fine. The 2JZ can, and HAS taken it for years on the stock, unopened motor, in daily driving conditions. I know this sounds ludicrous for the other types of engines that you all are familiar with, but how about letting this thread educate you on another reason the 2JZ is so praised and getting swapped into everything (except Civics, sorry to the OP of the other thread).

As far as cranking the boost up leaning out the motor... Well for one, nobody is assuming that this is all being done on a stock fuel system and without any tuning or ECU changes. That's a given. You don't just bolt on the 800HP kit from OurPicturesMakeItLookEasy.com and go run 9s, you get it tuned, and you better have some fuel for anything past 500-550WHP in these cars.

They made it seem like you didn't know what you were talking about because you didn't know what you were talking about. All engines aren't equal; some have different limits, different components they need to have upgraded, different perks and quirks that require specific tuning changes to be made, etc. This is why tuners are specific to certain kinds of cars, and why you shouldn't take your new Supra to be tuned by the same guy that's been tuning your Honda/Mustang/LS1/DSM for years, even if he's the best around for what he does. If you don't know Supras, don't assume you do because you know other cars. That's the kind of misinformation that made the Supra owners laugh in the other thread.

By the way, as far as the dyno queen comment.... Cars aren't dyno queens, the owners are. Nobody buys a Supra for low end torque. They buy them for torque above 3000-4000, where they make a shitload of it. If they want to use that torque for bragging rights, then that's their mistake. These engines SHINE on a road course, and they've certainly been impressing on the drag strip lately, sneaking up on the Viper 6spd record, done with 2.5 times the displacement.

 

When I said crank up the boost I meant, increasing the whole set up, I assumed most people knew, that to run 30psi you might wanna upgrade some things, geezzz...

Not just the PSI, next time I'll be clear.

Either way, no need to delete this thread, but it is pretty pointless to point kirk out, only natural he would defend he's baby (his car) even though we werent talking about his car, just the same type of engine.

While were talking about supra's

Whats the difference between the 1jz and a 2jz?

sorry if thats a noob ???

One got vtech? LMAO JKJKJKJL 3am humor sorry

 

One's engine code starts with a 1,the other with a 2.


Seriously though,I think the 2j is a little bigger.And some differences in the head/block castings i'm sure.

I don't know shit about supra's,although I have heard of people using a 1j head on a 2j shortblock,i'm assuming to raise/lower the compression.


I'll let someone more supra oriented chime in to 100% everything.