Skyline... (at least it's informative)
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Originally Posted by sex
So, like zenki s14 said; what about importing other jdm cars such as type R's, Rx-7's, chasers etc.. what are the standards on these? or can anyone confirm that the same policys apply to them?
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Originally Posted by NXz28
Found this:
http://ferraris-online.com/Articles/SCM_0108.html
"John Guy, an engineer with EPA, then devised the ãCoke-canä test. If a standard Coke can will roll under a car, it cannot be a race car; if a Coke cannot roll under a car, it must be a race car."
http://ferraris-online.com/Articles/SCM_0108.html
"John Guy, an engineer with EPA, then devised the ãCoke-canä test. If a standard Coke can will roll under a car, it cannot be a race car; if a Coke cannot roll under a car, it must be a race car."
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Originally Posted by RiceRocket
When you question 'Celm' <--EI rep, he will tell you it's titled, and registered, and it's legal. Well, Yes, the paperwork is absolutely 100% legal, it a title and a registration that is state issued. That doesn't mean it's federally legal. Ask them if it's federalized...ask them to provide a letter from the NHSTA and EPA, ask them to prove it to you in writing....they can't. Like you said...not worth it for a car, not even a Skyline
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and this
and whos daily driver is this
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Originally Posted by RiceRocket
The question about getting skylines always comes up. Due to recent events, I thought I'd share the current status. Enjoy.
#1: Skylines are no longer legal to import and federalize in the USA, not even Motorex (who is out of business) can do it. Those that are in Motorex's possesion, and were in the process of being legalized when the shit hit the fan "MAY" be released into the USA, as it was considered 'Good Faith'. The Skylines that were previously federalized by Motorex are 'grandfathered' in, and are safe.
#2: RBMotoring can not legally import a skyline at this time, NOBODY CAN. I do know they have submitted petitions, but those have not been approved yet. A person that was formally employed by G & K (the people who did the original petition for the skyline since motorex wasn't an RI at the time) opened his own RI, and submitted petitions, and they have been rejected.
#3: So how did 'these' people get theres? Through deviation. The cars are imported with a HS-7 form as 'Parts Only', and then they are re-assembled. They than get a title company to file for the title. This is easy in some states, such as Florida. Just becuase the car is titled and registered does not mean that it is 'LEGAL'. It just means that you legally own it (title) and you have registered it with the state and paid taxes (Registration). The car does not meet NHSTA or EPA regulations, and it was brought into the USA under false pretenses (HS7 'Parts Only'...can't be re-assemled for road use). obviously many federal laws broken, but not a big deal till you get caught.
Now this is when everybody says 'they'll crush your car'. The government has the right to crush the car, but over the past 2 years, I have not heard of a Skyline being crushed. I have seen at least 6 of these Skylines seized and put up @ gov't auctions for export only (and I don't check very often).
And for all the 'Naysayers' who say that the Gov't doesn't do this...than check out the results of this auction for August 11th, 2005. Item 199 and 200 in particular.
http://www.treas.gov/auctions/customs/0527009.html
Sad to know that somebody paid $20k+ for a car that was confiscated and sold at auction for $3k. Let's not forget any federal charges, fines, etc. All for a damn car.
Sorry to vent, I want one too...but I'd rather have a truly legal one, and not a headache.
Charles
#1: Skylines are no longer legal to import and federalize in the USA, not even Motorex (who is out of business) can do it. Those that are in Motorex's possesion, and were in the process of being legalized when the shit hit the fan "MAY" be released into the USA, as it was considered 'Good Faith'. The Skylines that were previously federalized by Motorex are 'grandfathered' in, and are safe.
#2: RBMotoring can not legally import a skyline at this time, NOBODY CAN. I do know they have submitted petitions, but those have not been approved yet. A person that was formally employed by G & K (the people who did the original petition for the skyline since motorex wasn't an RI at the time) opened his own RI, and submitted petitions, and they have been rejected.
#3: So how did 'these' people get theres? Through deviation. The cars are imported with a HS-7 form as 'Parts Only', and then they are re-assembled. They than get a title company to file for the title. This is easy in some states, such as Florida. Just becuase the car is titled and registered does not mean that it is 'LEGAL'. It just means that you legally own it (title) and you have registered it with the state and paid taxes (Registration). The car does not meet NHSTA or EPA regulations, and it was brought into the USA under false pretenses (HS7 'Parts Only'...can't be re-assemled for road use). obviously many federal laws broken, but not a big deal till you get caught.
Now this is when everybody says 'they'll crush your car'. The government has the right to crush the car, but over the past 2 years, I have not heard of a Skyline being crushed. I have seen at least 6 of these Skylines seized and put up @ gov't auctions for export only (and I don't check very often).
And for all the 'Naysayers' who say that the Gov't doesn't do this...than check out the results of this auction for August 11th, 2005. Item 199 and 200 in particular.
http://www.treas.gov/auctions/customs/0527009.html
Sad to know that somebody paid $20k+ for a car that was confiscated and sold at auction for $3k. Let's not forget any federal charges, fines, etc. All for a damn car.
Sorry to vent, I want one too...but I'd rather have a truly legal one, and not a headache.
Charles
and you want to know where the government siezes the car??they dont do it at the persons house!!!
the sieze the skylines from the dumb asses that think they can just import it as a full car and there customs broker will get it cleared.they sieze it cause customs wont release teh car,so you know what happens then???I will tell you,after 15 days of not being cleared or not able to be cleared it will go in G.O,which means government order which they tell you to export it or they will auction it.the guy who bought the car i dont think has a buyer for it somewhere out side of the US,so he is SHTI out of luck and teh car gets auctioned
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Originally Posted by steve
a r34 was crushed in arizona
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Originally Posted by RiceRocket
I have 10 years of research behind me, looking at every loophole possible...if there were a way, I would have one now.
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Originally Posted by RiceRocket
What initially got them in trouble was side markers. They stopped installing them. After the NHSTA started noticing the Skyline articles (and the pics, without side markers), they started to review the petition. They found a few things that were 'incorrect' (or misleading
). Here are some of the discrepencies:Charles
the straw the broke the camels back with DOT and MX was that there was a company in S.FL that bought 2 MX skylines with the sole intention on backwards engineering the cars and doing the work to non MX cars.that comapny spent the $ to have people write up the fancy petitions and some big shot lawyers. when it was submitted to DOT and they rejected it.there lawyer made a big stink on how come when we copied to cars they DOT gave the OK on.
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Originally Posted by RiceRocket
Never said you couldn't register it (or even title it). But that does not make it legal. The car can still be confiscated.
re-read my post
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re-read my post
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Originally Posted by celm
you just have 10 years of cutting and pasting from websites and forums
Thanks for posting this frank. Charles' posts have annoyed me for years.
Obviously you are running a business where you have successfully imported vehicles for quite some time. In addition, i know another guy importing vehicles named jeff denmeade. He gets JDM vehicles into the country through a slightly different loophole...however they are able to be registered nonetheless.
Last edited by chet; Oct 19, 2005 at 04:02 PM.
