Who thinks they understand the difference between Tq and horsepower....
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3 liters is the limit in f1 cars...there are f1 engines these days as small as 1.8 liters turning 20 grand.... 
lets say an f1 car makes peak torque at 10k rpm and stays consistant to 20k rpm...yet the horsepower is tripple of the torque at 20k rpm.
the fucking car is gonna accelerate alot more at 20 grand then 10 dude....
horsepower is how fast the torque is being used.
TORQUE IS A FUCKING DEAD WEIGHT...HORSEPOWER MOVES IT!
max accleration isnt defined by torque or horespower, but maximum power wich depends on the torque and hp curves...thats why it is important to know both numbers!
lets say an f1 car makes peak torque at 10k rpm and stays consistant to 20k rpm...yet the horsepower is tripple of the torque at 20k rpm.
the fucking car is gonna accelerate alot more at 20 grand then 10 dude....
horsepower is how fast the torque is being used.
TORQUE IS A FUCKING DEAD WEIGHT...HORSEPOWER MOVES IT!
max accleration isnt defined by torque or horespower, but maximum power wich depends on the torque and hp curves...thats why it is important to know both numbers!
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Originally Posted by shadowboy
peak acceleration at any given speed is where power is maximized. period. empirical rule. bar none, no arguments. if you disagree, i can prove why you are wrong.
First you agreed MAx accel occurs at peak Tq....in a given gear. But then make the statement above. I would make the same statement...but put the term Tq in place of power.
Of course all this discussion will not take into account wind drag, rolling resistance etc.
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Originally Posted by shadowboy
hybridSS:
in the case of first gear:
at the torque peak in first gear there is NO gear selection that will give you more power. go beyond that and your acceleration DOES slow, but that's only because there's still no example of a gear where you have more power than first gear.
i NEVER disputed the peak acceleration in a car overall would be at the torque peak in 1st gear. that' the ONLY time you will ge more acceleration from the torque peak than the power peak. in ALL OTHER GEARS if you drop a gear and make more power you WILL get more acceleration. period.
in the case of first gear:
at the torque peak in first gear there is NO gear selection that will give you more power. go beyond that and your acceleration DOES slow, but that's only because there's still no example of a gear where you have more power than first gear.
i NEVER disputed the peak acceleration in a car overall would be at the torque peak in 1st gear. that' the ONLY time you will ge more acceleration from the torque peak than the power peak. in ALL OTHER GEARS if you drop a gear and make more power you WILL get more acceleration. period.
Did it occour to you that if you drop a gear, you gain mechanical advantage, and your torque increases?
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Originally Posted by Jordan Y.
I think we've all been saying the same thing, just in different terms.
which is precisely what i meant when i said we've been arguing semantics.
we just all conceptualize it different.
its obvious that everyone discussing understands the difference, otherwise there wouldn't be much of a discussion.
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Originally Posted by NegativeGeForce
3 liters is the limit in f1 cars...there are f1 engines these days as small as 1.8 liters turning 20 grand....
lets say an f1 car makes peak torque at 10k rpm and stays consistant to 20k rpm...yet the horsepower is tripple of the torque at 20k rpm.
the fucking car is gonna accelerate alot more at 20 grand then 10 dude....
horsepower is how fast the torque is being used.
TORQUE IS A FUCKING DEAD WEIGHT...HORSEPOWER MOVES IT!
max accleration isnt defined by torque or horespower, but maximum power wich depends on the torque and hp curves...thats why it is important to know both numbers!
lets say an f1 car makes peak torque at 10k rpm and stays consistant to 20k rpm...yet the horsepower is tripple of the torque at 20k rpm.
the fucking car is gonna accelerate alot more at 20 grand then 10 dude....
horsepower is how fast the torque is being used.
TORQUE IS A FUCKING DEAD WEIGHT...HORSEPOWER MOVES IT!
max accleration isnt defined by torque or horespower, but maximum power wich depends on the torque and hp curves...thats why it is important to know both numbers!
Not trying to be confrontational...but this is all wrong
If Tq is the same from 10k to 20k...acceleration will be the same (minus wind resistnace and rolling resistance etc).
TQ is the only thing thats applied and used. HP has no application other than to show total work.
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Originally Posted by power2weight
Power available never changes. You agreed upon that initially, and now are disputing it.
Did it occour to you that if you drop a gear, you gain mechanical advantage, and your torque increases?
Did it occour to you that if you drop a gear, you gain mechanical advantage, and your torque increases?
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Originally Posted by HybridSS
Not trying to be confrontational...but this is all wrong
If Tq is the same from 10k to 20k...acceleration will be the same (minus wind resistnace and rolling resistance etc).
TQ is the only thing thats applied and used. HP has no application other than to show total work.
If Tq is the same from 10k to 20k...acceleration will be the same (minus wind resistnace and rolling resistance etc).
TQ is the only thing thats applied and used. HP has no application other than to show total work.
i agree with this response, in that if tq from 10k to 20k is flat, the acceleration will be the same all the way up--with a fixed gear ratio
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Originally Posted by shadowboy
i never said power never changes. i said power is the limiting factor. big difference. at different rpms there is different available power. different gears = different rpm = different power.
Ahhh...I see what you are saying I think. But I would still substitute the term Tq in place of power.
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Originally Posted by HybridSS
Not trying to be confrontational...but this is all wrong
If Tq is the same from 10k to 20k...acceleration will be the same (minus wind resistnace and rolling resistance etc).
TQ is the only thing thats applied and used. HP has no application other than to show total work.
If Tq is the same from 10k to 20k...acceleration will be the same (minus wind resistnace and rolling resistance etc).
TQ is the only thing thats applied and used. HP has no application other than to show total work.
like i said...i am getting more stupid as i read
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Thats what I am telling you...yes...exactly
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