regardless, the system is still there, the rats nest of vacuum hoses, etc.

and you are completely entitled to your opinion. it's just stupid.

 

haha, you let a 15 year old pwn you.....

 

You can tell me blue is better than red and thats your opinion, sure. But you can't just say two turbos are better. I guess if you like the word "twin turbo" thats your opinion. But performance is not opinionated.

 

yes it is. Tell that to a turbo 4 cyl with the power of a V8, or vice versa. You can have no torque, double torque #'s than HP...etc. Hell with the amount of different turbos one can use, you cant really say that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in a twin turbo setup each turbo is flowing half the psi of the whole (ie. 20psi on a TT car would be 10 psi each turbo) and thus you can go higher, using two smaller turbos that flow better/spool faster, whatever. Assuming you have the power/displacement to do so.

 

So you take your "twin turbo" setup and I take my single and beat you, you still like the twin turbo, right? Twin turbos were first brought in to make cars with turbos seem as though they didn't have them. And performance is not opinionated. You can you like one thing just because, but the facts point to the single having advantages over the TT setup.

 

I still would like the twin turbo. It all depends in what kind of race and whatnot. You may have a honking T88 or whatever, but it doesnt spool till after 3.5k or so. In the same car, with two smaller more efficient turbos that could spool...say...2000 RPMs, assuming they were exactly the same otherwise, the TT would win.

Singles have advantages and disadvantages. Same with twins. Its just your opinion what you like more than another. Everyone loves the dyno bitches with huge turbos and no low end...I like the versatility of having power on the street. Lets take into account the cars that are still built that have two turbos. 1) Cayenne Turbo. 2) 2.7 Audi Biturbo. 3) Lotus Esprit (although unfortunately haulting production) 4) BMW's 6.0 V12 such as in the Maybachs. Bentley has one as well. If TT's were BS, I doubt the above companies would still house them.

Performance IS opinionated. If it wasnt, then there'd be only ONE car that everyone would drive for performance, and the world would be much more borring. You could have a 500 HP Civic, but the powerband is so drastically different from a 500 HP detroit V8 that 75%+ people would opt for the V8.

Call me a ricer, because I'm young, immature, whatever. At least I have plenty more common sence than many people.

 

I know you aren't allowed to drive yet, but if you ever do race you won't be worrying about spooling at 3500rpms.


And NO, performance is not opinionated. Facts are facts. You can say, "yes I know that setup A is faster, but I like B because______." Fill that one in for me please? You can like a more complicated, slower design that produces more heat all you want, but please give the reason if its not just because "I have two turbos, and you have one."

 

We'll see. First off, I'd like to thank you for not being a jackass and contributing to a healthful debate, not taking any of my opinions to heart.

Setup B may get better gas mileage. Or maybe you only want so much power; any more and you'd kill yourself. Maybe you like setup B visually better; less engine bay clutter, whatever. Not saying that having two turbochargers will give you even better gas mileage, or that the only way to go insane on power is more boost/turbos, not to mention having two adds even more engine bay clutter.

I am a loner. I have time to go into my car, stare at something for a bit, then tilt my head and look at it again. Complications dont bother me, I rather like a small challenge. I'd have time to insulate the turbos, exhaust manifold, intake, intercooler piping, etc.

In the end, I suppose subconsiously I'd rather say I have two turbos, and I'm just trying to back that up.

 

the kid trying to push his twin turbo theory is also failing to remember the weight issue involved. not only do the turbos themselves weigh more, but the additional piping and more complicated manifold makes the car more nose heavy...which in most cars is the last place you want to have additional weight.