Nitrous Intercooler Sprayer
Originally posted by 4drwhore
Who said anything about at TT?
Who said anything about at TT?
Originally posted by Zate
those things are a gimmick and a waste of money right up there with turbo timers.
those things are a gimmick and a waste of money right up there with turbo timers.
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i did and yes they are. Name me one car that comes with a TT stock ? .. TT's are left over from when oils were mineral based and turbo technologies were not as they are today.. when you could actually cook the oil and seize the turbo. With most modern (post about 1990) cars.. and partial or full synthetic oils.. couples with tri action cooling (oil/water/air) .. heat disapates extremely quickly and the oils dont have the same issues tghey used to have.. just driving to park your car.. or checking the mail.. or even stopping to get out and look under the hood allows the temps to reduce enough ... couple that with most cars continue to circulate oil after you stop .. through either convenction .. or an electric motor .. it all adds up to TT's being a HUGE FUCKING WASTE OF MONEY AND A "LOOK AT ME I'M A RICER" end result 
ok.. everyone knows that an intercooler is made to SOAK up heat right ?.. as the heated charged air passes through, the heat "exchanges" to the fins of the intercooler.. the metal.. and reduces intake temps.. normally airflow over these fins takes the heat away so it can absorb more. Heat soak is when an IC has soaked as much heat as it can, and not enough is being carried away. It works almost exactly like the heatsink on a computer chip. Now if we were to use a metal with a higher specific heat (specific heat refers to how much heat something can store before it phase changes.. or before it just cannot store anymore.. with a phase change GREATLY increasing the specific heat of something) .. the Ic would be more efficient.. but it so happens that alot of metals with high specific heat are also very dense and heavy (copper and gold for isntance) .. so making an intercooler from copper and gold isnt worth it..
water has a good specific heat.. but on top of that..it changes phases extremely easy..and this phase change is what allows it to carry away so much heat. Its called evaporation. using nitrous doesnt give you this because its already in gas form.. it cant carry away anywhere near the same amount of heat..its already at a low temp.. remember.. its about TRANSFER of heat.. not what temp something is already.. water with a little alcohol mixed (or just water) .. phase changes easily.. and carries with it a ton of heat..
so a good water spray setup is perfect.. just make sure it atomises the water effectively.. the smaller the "bits" of water.. the quicker they phase change and the easier it carries away heat..ie get nozzle that mist... you will use ALOT less water.. not have dripping..
most setups can be tied to boost.. but the real issue is you need it to continue AFTER the boost is off.. for a few seconds at least.. to stop the IC from "heating" up the cooler non boosted air ..
for more detailed info read.
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0084/article.html
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0527/...popularArticle (i've used that spray controller.. it works ok.. but its not perfect)
also some stuff on water/alcohol injection which when setup right can be just as effective.. or more effective than air/air ICs
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/turbo_cintercool.html
i know of a stock subaru STi Type R Ver 6 that ran mid 11's with just water injection and raising the boost.. nothing else was done. ..its pretty effective.
ok.. everyone knows that an intercooler is made to SOAK up heat right ?.. as the heated charged air passes through, the heat "exchanges" to the fins of the intercooler.. the metal.. and reduces intake temps.. normally airflow over these fins takes the heat away so it can absorb more. Heat soak is when an IC has soaked as much heat as it can, and not enough is being carried away. It works almost exactly like the heatsink on a computer chip. Now if we were to use a metal with a higher specific heat (specific heat refers to how much heat something can store before it phase changes.. or before it just cannot store anymore.. with a phase change GREATLY increasing the specific heat of something) .. the Ic would be more efficient.. but it so happens that alot of metals with high specific heat are also very dense and heavy (copper and gold for isntance) .. so making an intercooler from copper and gold isnt worth it..
water has a good specific heat.. but on top of that..it changes phases extremely easy..and this phase change is what allows it to carry away so much heat. Its called evaporation. using nitrous doesnt give you this because its already in gas form.. it cant carry away anywhere near the same amount of heat..its already at a low temp.. remember.. its about TRANSFER of heat.. not what temp something is already.. water with a little alcohol mixed (or just water) .. phase changes easily.. and carries with it a ton of heat..
so a good water spray setup is perfect.. just make sure it atomises the water effectively.. the smaller the "bits" of water.. the quicker they phase change and the easier it carries away heat..ie get nozzle that mist... you will use ALOT less water.. not have dripping..
most setups can be tied to boost.. but the real issue is you need it to continue AFTER the boost is off.. for a few seconds at least.. to stop the IC from "heating" up the cooler non boosted air ..
for more detailed info read.
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0084/article.html
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0527/...popularArticle (i've used that spray controller.. it works ok.. but its not perfect)
also some stuff on water/alcohol injection which when setup right can be just as effective.. or more effective than air/air ICs
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/turbo_cintercool.html
i know of a stock subaru STi Type R Ver 6 that ran mid 11's with just water injection and raising the boost.. nothing else was done. ..its pretty effective.
so what's the benefit of mixing the water with the alcohol? does it increase the heat exchange property or is it to keep the water clean and keep the mister from being clogged with algae?
(just curious)
(just curious)
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Originally posted by Tripw0l
so what's the benefit of mixing the water with the alcohol? does it increase the heat exchange property or is it to keep the water clean and keep the mister from being clogged with algae?
(just curious)
so what's the benefit of mixing the water with the alcohol? does it increase the heat exchange property or is it to keep the water clean and keep the mister from being clogged with algae?
(just curious)
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Originally posted by Tripw0l
so what's the benefit of mixing the water with the alcohol? does it increase the heat exchange property or is it to keep the water clean and keep the mister from being clogged with algae?
(just curious)
so what's the benefit of mixing the water with the alcohol? does it increase the heat exchange property or is it to keep the water clean and keep the mister from being clogged with algae?
(just curious)
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Originally posted by 4drwhore
nice post!
nice post!
Thanks for the info. Now I know to get a mister instead of a "sprayer". I didnt think it would work as well because it would be harder to properly aim where exactly the water would "run off to"
Question.
Does the water temprature matter? i.e. If you put regular water in there instead of ice water, would it be better because it would change temprature faster and thus evaporate faster? Or would it be better to drop some ice cubes in, because the cooler water can take away more heat?
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Originally posted by Zate
i did and yes they are. Name me one car that comes with a TT stock ? .. TT's are left over from when oils were mineral based and turbo technologies were not as they are today.. when you could actually cook the oil and seize the turbo. With most modern (post about 1990) cars.. and partial or full synthetic oils.. couples with tri action cooling (oil/water/air) .. heat disapates extremely quickly and the oils dont have the same issues tghey used to have.. just driving to park your car.. or checking the mail.. or even stopping to get out and look under the hood allows the temps to reduce enough ... couple that with most cars continue to circulate oil after you stop .. through either convenction .. or an electric motor .. it all adds up to TT's being a HUGE FUCKING WASTE OF MONEY AND A "LOOK AT ME I'M A RICER" end result
i did and yes they are. Name me one car that comes with a TT stock ? .. TT's are left over from when oils were mineral based and turbo technologies were not as they are today.. when you could actually cook the oil and seize the turbo. With most modern (post about 1990) cars.. and partial or full synthetic oils.. couples with tri action cooling (oil/water/air) .. heat disapates extremely quickly and the oils dont have the same issues tghey used to have.. just driving to park your car.. or checking the mail.. or even stopping to get out and look under the hood allows the temps to reduce enough ... couple that with most cars continue to circulate oil after you stop .. through either convenction .. or an electric motor .. it all adds up to TT's being a HUGE FUCKING WASTE OF MONEY AND A "LOOK AT ME I'M A RICER" end result
This still doesnt explain why in some cases (using S4 as example) the turbo's seized because the oil didnt properly cool down resuliting in a build up in the oil lines causing lack of oil going to turbo resulting in KABOOM!.. It might just be an Audi thing though. The problem was of course - small oil feed lines. Which is why I am, and choose to be.. a "ricer"
Originally posted by Kyle K
OY good post!
This still doesnt explain why in some cases (using S4 as example) the turbo's seized because the oil didnt properly cool down resuliting in a build up in the oil lines causing lack of oil going to turbo resulting in KABOOM!.. It might just be an Audi thing though. The problem was of course - small oil feed lines. Which is why I am, and choose to be.. a "ricer"
OY good post!
This still doesnt explain why in some cases (using S4 as example) the turbo's seized because the oil didnt properly cool down resuliting in a build up in the oil lines causing lack of oil going to turbo resulting in KABOOM!.. It might just be an Audi thing though. The problem was of course - small oil feed lines. Which is why I am, and choose to be.. a "ricer"
"Name one car that comes with a TT stock" .. I'll name TWO. Even though i'm sure there are more.
Audi TT
Porsche Turbo(Late models)
**Though they arent like a normal TT. Instead - only the oil pump runs for a few minutes after the car is shut down. Different method. Same purpose.



