Hell yeah..... That was badass!

 

Ya but it does in Japan.

 

Hey, a Nissans a Nissan. the discussion was focused on which car made the largest impact during that time period. For you to try argue that the skyline should be excluded for some reason is unfair and partial.

and I'm glad I could offer you some comedic relief there I stand by my original statement 110%

 

who wouldnt? me... i mean, who had the bright idea of putting the diff in the oil pan? and why is it that you have to replace the headgasket in order to make serious HP numbers on it? and why is it so heavy? if it was soo good, Nissan would still be using it in the JGTC.

the 300Z TT is good for what it is. its meant to be bought, driven and be a nice sporty car to drive from point A to point B. it is not tuner friendly at ALL...ever.

-ever see the turbos on a Z32? oh wait, no thats impossible, theres too much shit in the way, including the firewall itself

-Ever see the turbos off a Z32? oh wait, they are so small, you probably would think its just a garden snail... i mean, seriously, a TB25?

-Ever see the fuel map for 5th gear? oh wait, no one has but its the reason why people melt pistons on top speed runs due to the completely different map compared to the other gears.

-Ever see the O2 housings off a TB25? they are about 2" long and force the exhaust to make a 3" jog downward just to get past the firewall.

-Ever see the Turbo inlet Ducts? oh wait, thats impossible because they are like 10 feet long and snake around every other thing in the front end of the car to come out up front and funnel thru ONE MAF.

-Ever see an engine harness intact? oh wait, thats impossible too cuz the harness is routed RIGHT over the turbos and the heat causes the plastic to deteriorate and cooks the oils out of it and any time you remove a connector, it shatters.

-Ever see the heads off the car w/ just the short-block sittin the chassis? oh wait, thats "impossible" according to the Technical Service repair manual and all dealer techs. it calls for engine removal to pull the heads (FYI, joeyk has accomplished this feat however)

-Ever see the driverside Cold pipe still mounted to the radiator core support? Oh wait thats probably impossible too. every Z32 tt ive ever seen had a broken mount on the cold pipe where its supposed to mount to the body, before the TB inlet... for some unknown reason.

-Ever see the lower bolts on the intake manifolds? oh wait, no thats impossible too. in fact, you cant even remove the lower bolts w/ a socket wrench, let alone see what you are getting at. you have to remove it w/ a box end wrench, but if you back it out too far, the manifold runner is in the way and you have to tighten the bolt back in to remove the end wrench and remove the bolt by hand... then once the bolt is full un-threaded, there is JUST enough room between the bolt hole and the runner for the bolt to drop Straight down... no, it doesnt just pull out.

-Ever see a Z32 get out of the hole like a bat out of hell? oh wait, no thats impossible, unless you remove the rear subframe bushings and use solid mounts like one-arm Harry in Bradenton.

-Ever see a VG30DETT making 1000 rwhp? oh wait, thats "impossible" too.

-Ever see the manifold pressure balance tube? whats that about?

-Ever see the cluster-fuck maze of Fuel feed and return lines starting at the fuel filter?

lets face it guys. the car is meant to be driven and never taken apart. its a VERY bad ass car out of the box and off the showroom floor. but when it comes to even mundane maintenance, its an all day task for even experience mechanics. everything is crammed in that engine bay so tightly.

soooo... what is so great about this car that makes it a "Super car"?

i mean, not to gas any Jews here... they are nice lookin cars, thats for sure!

 

I felt when reading the posts, that we were talking about impact on other car company's not "markets". Each company building their own "answer" for their competition. I understand where your comin from though..


anyways.. Is that it? One solid post by me and you ppl stop wanting to burn this guy and the whole Z legacy at the stake?

whachu got!!

 

You've got to be kidding me w/ the Skyline facts. The Z stuff I'll accept but I don't know where you got your RB info from. you do not have to replace the headgasket. although if you were pushing 800HP you'd want an HKS headgasket also. LOL.. headgasket.. are you really going to knock the RB engine over a $20 gasket. you've GOT to be kidding me.

You cannot evolve by being stagnant. Once again, you guys should know better. Regarding the JGTCC and the Skyline, you know they utterly dominated the field right? The point was made, Nissan is trying something different now, thats what they do. You really don't want to argue against the skyline, it's going to be fruitless for you.

(regarding the Z) good post, you definately made your point

but fair is fair, the VG is still a platform that has potential, you can't deny that. I wouldn't go as far as to say it shouldn't be taken apart, you said it yourself -small turbo's. They can be replaced. there's no reason you can't have 4-600HP reliably out of that car. I have a close friend pushing a NA around 300HP w/ bolt on's. and the car is all torque, you really feel the power.

you seemed to focus on all the bad, and none of the good. There's bottlenecks on EVERY engine. The Z is a great car, better then supra or RX7? I wouldn't go that far. But its a Z car, and sure, the engine bay is pretty fucked, but with a little extra effort its still a great platform IMO. and I believe the goals that were set for that car by its builders were over-accomplished regardless. It sure was one of the prettiest cars of its time IMO. Hell, Lamborghini borrowed its headlights for the diablo. I don't see any Supra or RX7 parts on the Diablo.

 

Rx-7s have there problems too when it came to the engine. As a
matter of fact they had many recalls for that car for every year it was out.

What blueboost was saying is that Nissanbroke the mold when they made the Z and the Skyline which was there intention!

The VG30 is considered one of the best 6cyl to ever be massed produced and this is coming from Car & Driver and has won numerous awards by Jd Power.

Its also the platform Nissan used for all there 6cyl engines now to
include the 350z so WTF!?

 

The vg and the vq are two different motors , nissan broke no mold the only reason I can ever see getting a skyline is for the drivetrain "nothing else" the motor is weak status , there is and have been many cases with this motor blowing on low power levels , to do any serious mod's you got to build the motor or you can stroke it like exvitermini "still built" but they are very limited and the r34 is a tank and good for nothing but getting ass from the hunnys and the white american boys who <3 JDM. you guys jerk everyones dick that has a skyline like it is the best thing since sliced bread , still dont think it compares to other cars built elsewhere , and all the builders at nissan "DO NOT CARE" about the ppl working on the cars this is why they continue to make them impossible to repair , the 300zx was designed to be sold to the business man and make 300hp and never be modified , it is not a race car. if it was that well engineered, then why arent there any people making 1000 HP w/o ever opening the engine? Nissan may have good engineering, but Toyota just has better engineering. Toyotas have turned in better performance results than competing Nissans. it was already evident by the 80's that nissan couldnt hang;

an engine that has alot of potential is one that can make up to 800 HP w/o ever breaking the factory seal on the engine. bolt on a big turbo, IC system and fuel system and making 800 HP is potential. having to rebuild a motor from scratch w/ forged internals, metal Headgaskets, studs, ported this and balanced that... thats not potential. some of the baddest ass and most highly regarded Z's are probably making 700ish RWHP right? thats on a fully built motor and big ass turbos and probably nitrous too? and anyone who buys a skyline to make 500HP and rest on their laurels should be punched in the mouth, have their skyline sold and buy a DSM w/ a built motor and 60-1 T3/T4 turbo and maybe a 75hp wet fogger for good measure. as far as 3.0 liter 6 cylinders go, Toyota has them figured out the best. hell, as far as ANY INLINE SIX CYLINDERS GO... toyota has everyone beat.

i also recall Mark Tozer from Suprastore.com flying his personal MKIV over to japan to race the fastest Skyline on the island and beat that skyline coming and going! if thats not a testamet to Toyota's inline-six technology and american know-how, i dont know what is.

like we said; the 300z TT was Designed, engineered, produced and marketed to have 300+ HP, look nice and not break. in fact, the hood should have been welded shut at the factory so people who Sadomasochist's dont attempt to work on/modify the Z32.

If the VG30/VQ35 was rated the best V6 by JD Power and assoc... then thats fine and dandy...but we ALL know that they dont rate motors on their HP potential, tuneability, and repairability. its all about "Intial quality". but quality levels 5 or 10 years down the road? forgeddaboutit.

what is the 6 cylinder w/ the highest build quality, most R&D and most potential?

(PS: the answer isnt anything from Nissan )

 

2JZ-GTE? Hey...looky there its twin turbo but only has one t

There are other good 6cyl engines too. Buick GN, RB26DETT...hell even the Honda V6 is nice. Also, as much as I hate to admit it, why is the 3.3 Camry V6 taking over Toyota..? because they admit its better (we all know its not)