LS1! it just keeps getting better...and cheaper :P
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LS1! it just keeps getting better...and cheaper :P
Before you guys get bent out of shape...For the record I love Fords too. Will eventually have a Fox body race only car, and have nothing but respect for the Ford brand...Their contibution to performance is undeniable. The reason for posting here is more feedback from the more performace oriented people...Ford Forum.
But....its hard to deny the potential of the LS1. And its only going to get cheaper since LS1's and LQ4's and L S 6's are being pumped out everyday and we basically use stock warmed over parts with bolt ons.
Anyways...check out the link and let me know what you think
LS1 upgrades
But....its hard to deny the potential of the LS1. And its only going to get cheaper since LS1's and LQ4's and L S 6's are being pumped out everyday and we basically use stock warmed over parts with bolt ons.
Anyways...check out the link and let me know what you think
LS1 upgrades
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I'm impressed
LS1's do have a lot of potential, just parts are pricey.
Actually was considering a Ls1 F-body myself before I bought the Mustang but couldn't afford the $400 a month insurance.
I just hate GM now, cause they killed the F-bodies at their peak
LS1's do have a lot of potential, just parts are pricey.
Actually was considering a Ls1 F-body myself before I bought the Mustang but couldn't afford the $400 a month insurance.
I just hate GM now, cause they killed the F-bodies at their peak
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What feedback are you looking for ?
Since you asked for feedback here is mine:
GM uses bigger motors, plain and simple. Ford has decided to go the way of forced induction because that is the popular trend these days from many automakers. (Mercedes, VW, Mopar, etc.). Sure Ford could have gone the route of GM and got back into another c.i.d. war but Ford has always liked non-traditional motors. (2.3 turbos, large c.i.d V6's, blown V8's, etc.) Sure they have built some of the biggest and baddest in the past but that was when gas was .60 a gallon.
I do not follow the F-Body stuff real close but they will never catch the Mustang aftermarket, especially since they do not have a active pony car. If they do not come back soon (or at all) with another Camaro / Firebird I think you will see the LS / LQ platform go away and the aftermarket will dry up due to lack of factory support.
The thing that gets overlooked everytime by the GM crowd is that Ford is making good power with smaller engines. And sure the argument can be made that Ford installed a blower to get 390 h.p. from the factory but better technology allows this to happen and kudos to Ford for just not slapping in a bigger motor.
Aren't the LS / LQ motors basically the same as a Chevy tow truck from 1970's ? I would hope they would make good proven power by now.
None of this was meant to sound hostile but I am confused on what the question at hand is ?
Congrats on the h.p. improvement, but with all of the work you mentioned (heads, cam, intake) it had better pick up some big power.
Since you asked for feedback here is mine:
GM uses bigger motors, plain and simple. Ford has decided to go the way of forced induction because that is the popular trend these days from many automakers. (Mercedes, VW, Mopar, etc.). Sure Ford could have gone the route of GM and got back into another c.i.d. war but Ford has always liked non-traditional motors. (2.3 turbos, large c.i.d V6's, blown V8's, etc.) Sure they have built some of the biggest and baddest in the past but that was when gas was .60 a gallon.
I do not follow the F-Body stuff real close but they will never catch the Mustang aftermarket, especially since they do not have a active pony car. If they do not come back soon (or at all) with another Camaro / Firebird I think you will see the LS / LQ platform go away and the aftermarket will dry up due to lack of factory support.
The thing that gets overlooked everytime by the GM crowd is that Ford is making good power with smaller engines. And sure the argument can be made that Ford installed a blower to get 390 h.p. from the factory but better technology allows this to happen and kudos to Ford for just not slapping in a bigger motor.
Aren't the LS / LQ motors basically the same as a Chevy tow truck from 1970's ? I would hope they would make good proven power by now.
None of this was meant to sound hostile but I am confused on what the question at hand is ?
Congrats on the h.p. improvement, but with all of the work you mentioned (heads, cam, intake) it had better pick up some big power.
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Originally posted by FordMan
What feedback are you looking for ?
Since you asked for feedback here is mine:
GM uses bigger motors, plain and simple. Ford has decided to go the way of forced induction because that is the popular trend these days from many automakers. (Mercedes, VW, Mopar, etc.). Sure Ford could have gone the route of GM and got back into another c.i.d. war but Ford has always liked non-traditional motors. (2.3 turbos, large c.i.d V6's, blown V8's, etc.) Sure they have built some of the biggest and baddest in the past but that was when gas was .60 a gallon.
I do not follow the F-Body stuff real close but they will never catch the Mustang aftermarket, especially since they do not have a active pony car. If they do not come back soon (or at all) with another Camaro / Firebird I think you will see the LS / LQ platform go away and the aftermarket will dry up due to lack of factory support.
The thing that gets overlooked everytime by the GM crowd is that Ford is making good power with smaller engines. And sure the argument can be made that Ford installed a blower to get 390 h.p. from the factory but better technology allows this to happen and kudos to Ford for just not slapping in a bigger motor.
Aren't the LS / LQ motors basically the same as a Chevy tow truck from 1970's ? I would hope they would make good proven power by now.
None of this was meant to sound hostile but I am confused on what the question at hand is ?
Congrats on the h.p. improvement, but with all of the work you mentioned (heads, cam, intake) it had better pick up some big power.
What feedback are you looking for ?
Since you asked for feedback here is mine:
GM uses bigger motors, plain and simple. Ford has decided to go the way of forced induction because that is the popular trend these days from many automakers. (Mercedes, VW, Mopar, etc.). Sure Ford could have gone the route of GM and got back into another c.i.d. war but Ford has always liked non-traditional motors. (2.3 turbos, large c.i.d V6's, blown V8's, etc.) Sure they have built some of the biggest and baddest in the past but that was when gas was .60 a gallon.
I do not follow the F-Body stuff real close but they will never catch the Mustang aftermarket, especially since they do not have a active pony car. If they do not come back soon (or at all) with another Camaro / Firebird I think you will see the LS / LQ platform go away and the aftermarket will dry up due to lack of factory support.
The thing that gets overlooked everytime by the GM crowd is that Ford is making good power with smaller engines. And sure the argument can be made that Ford installed a blower to get 390 h.p. from the factory but better technology allows this to happen and kudos to Ford for just not slapping in a bigger motor.
Aren't the LS / LQ motors basically the same as a Chevy tow truck from 1970's ? I would hope they would make good proven power by now.
None of this was meant to sound hostile but I am confused on what the question at hand is ?
Congrats on the h.p. improvement, but with all of the work you mentioned (heads, cam, intake) it had better pick up some big power.
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I still like the 4v for it's power adder capabilites. It shines like no other when positive pressure is applied to the manifold.
We've already seen a 03 Cobra laying down 730rwhp without spray in a daily driven vehicle that still idles and runs as close to stock as any car could be.
I've yet to see anything remotely close to that from the LS1. Sure there are some that shake like hell, or you have to turn the bottle on to get there but thats not the point I was making.
Not slamming the LS1 (at least not trying). I just enjoy the technology Ford has taken advantage of to create massive power from small displacment without sacraficing ride quality.
Looking back at the CI war it did always seem Ford was on top. 302 vs. 305
ok really bad example. How about 350 vs. 351 or 454 vs. 460. Different strokes for different folks (bad pun).
We've already seen a 03 Cobra laying down 730rwhp without spray in a daily driven vehicle that still idles and runs as close to stock as any car could be.
I've yet to see anything remotely close to that from the LS1. Sure there are some that shake like hell, or you have to turn the bottle on to get there but thats not the point I was making.
Not slamming the LS1 (at least not trying). I just enjoy the technology Ford has taken advantage of to create massive power from small displacment without sacraficing ride quality.
Looking back at the CI war it did always seem Ford was on top. 302 vs. 305
ok really bad example. How about 350 vs. 351 or 454 vs. 460. Different strokes for different folks (bad pun).
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No Scott...the LS/LQ does not share a single piece with any other GM motor and has only been in existance since 1997. And I think your wrong about the aftermarket drying up. The LS1 type motor will be in the next gen vette and Camaro, GTO, SSR as well as every V8 SUV that GM makes. We also get some good products and R&D from all the Holdens using LS1s in Aussie land.
Anyways....this was not a post about GM vs Ford. It was supposed to be about a nearly 100 hp gain from heads and cam for $2000 in parts.
Anyways....this was not a post about GM vs Ford. It was supposed to be about a nearly 100 hp gain from heads and cam for $2000 in parts.
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Originally posted by HybridSS
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Anyways....this was not a post about GM vs Ford. It was supposed to be about a nearly 100 hp gain from heads and cam for $2000 in parts.
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Anyways....this was not a post about GM vs Ford. It was supposed to be about a nearly 100 hp gain from heads and cam for $2000 in parts.
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$450 NOS kit and I am looking at 450+ at the wheels and some 10 second timeslips for well under $2k. Of course the good ole' T-5 might decide to show its internals on the track.
We shall see....
