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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 05:27 AM
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Its a v8 front engine rear wheel drive car. When you talk like that of course its not going to handle well. However at the same time, anyone who is going to race a fox body autocross or open track isnt going to have a stock suspension and if they did they wouldnt be racing Z06's. Your comparing apples and oranges here.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 06:05 AM
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I disagree. Open track days mix every type of car together. Its well within the norm to see a fox body at a PCA, SCCA, Chin, or NASA track day running alongside a Z06, with some civics, sentras, and porsches mixed in as well. My original comment was to point out that the fox body is simply faster than the Z06 because the driver is better, not because it could handle better. I've also seen alot of mustangs at autocrosses with stock suspensions, because you obviously can't change the shocks/springs when you run in a stock class. The most suspension work I've ever seen on a mustang in my class was coilovers, but that was an 05 GT, not exactly a fox body. I still beat him by 2+ seconds with just my lowering springs and street tires. Using the layout of the vehicle is also a poor argument; my car is an overhanging FF, which is the best layout you can find as far as straight line stability under normal driving conditions, but has shortcomings on the track. Any disadvantage caused by poor weight distribution or drivetrain layout can be very easily compensated for with relatively cheap suspension components. Dive/lift can be counteracted by springs, roll/understeer/oversteer can easily be remedied with an anti-roll bar. My MFactory 22mm rear sway bar was the first suspension mod I put on the car so it would actually turn in and rotate, though my LSD helps with that as well. A fox body could be made to handle much better with these small mods, the problem I see is that better is still terrible for that chassis. Especially the verts with their complete lack of rigidity.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by omgwtfbbq!
I disagree. Open track days mix every type of car together. Its well within the norm to see a fox body at a PCA, SCCA, Chin, or NASA track day running alongside a Z06, with some civics, sentras, and porsches mixed in as well. My original comment was to point out that the fox body is simply faster than the Z06 because the driver is better, not because it could handle better. I've also seen alot of mustangs at autocrosses with stock suspensions, because you obviously can't change the shocks/springs when you run in a stock class. The most suspension work I've ever seen on a mustang in my class was coilovers, but that was an 05 GT, not exactly a fox body. I still beat him by 2+ seconds with just my lowering springs and street tires. Using the layout of the vehicle is also a poor argument; my car is an overhanging FF, which is the best layout you can find as far as straight line stability under normal driving conditions, but has shortcomings on the track. Any disadvantage caused by poor weight distribution or drivetrain layout can be very easily compensated for with relatively cheap suspension components. Dive/lift can be counteracted by springs, roll/understeer/oversteer can easily be remedied with an anti-roll bar. My MFactory 22mm rear sway bar was the first suspension mod I put on the car so it would actually turn in and rotate, though my LSD helps with that as well. A fox body could be made to handle much better with these small mods, the problem I see is that better is still terrible for that chassis. Especially the verts with their complete lack of rigidity.

omg stfu. it was admited the a stock fox dont have the handeling alright. money is money and can make anything own anything. so stop trying to start shit. the post was started about another fox. not "look at this gay ass honda". honda was built for grandma and the mustang was built for power. just as the vette was built for grandpa's need to haul ass. every car has there up's and downs. so stop trying to act like your sitting on top of a gold mine.

and just to add on, my 92 vert rode on rails. all it hand was sub frame conectors, 1 3/4 front and rear sway bar, and h&r sport springs.

but im done.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by omgwtfbbq!
I disagree. Open track days mix every type of car together. Its well within the norm to see a fox body at a PCA, SCCA, Chin, or NASA track day running alongside a Z06, with some civics, sentras, and porsches mixed in as well. My original comment was to point out that the fox body is simply faster than the Z06 because the driver is better, not because it could handle better. I've also seen alot of mustangs at autocrosses with stock suspensions, because you obviously can't change the shocks/springs when you run in a stock class. The most suspension work I've ever seen on a mustang in my class was coilovers, but that was an 05 GT, not exactly a fox body. I still beat him by 2+ seconds with just my lowering springs and street tires. Using the layout of the vehicle is also a poor argument; my car is an overhanging FF, which is the best layout you can find as far as straight line stability under normal driving conditions, but has shortcomings on the track. Any disadvantage caused by poor weight distribution or drivetrain layout can be very easily compensated for with relatively cheap suspension components. Dive/lift can be counteracted by springs, roll/understeer/oversteer can easily be remedied with an anti-roll bar. My MFactory 22mm rear sway bar was the first suspension mod I put on the car so it would actually turn in and rotate, though my LSD helps with that as well. A fox body could be made to handle much better with these small mods, the problem I see is that better is still terrible for that chassis. Especially the verts with their complete lack of rigidity.

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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 09:02 AM
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I was just conversing with jchauncey guys, calm down. And BAMF, even though I was just using my car as an example of an overhanging FF vehicle to make a point about using drivetrain layout as an excuse, I know how much you love hearing about it so I figured I'd let you have your daily dose of pure awesome.

Joker I haven't directed a single post at you, you haven't posted since I starting posting. I don't know why you think I'm trying to start shit, all I said was fox bodys handle poorly, which everyone has agreed with. Once that was established, I began trying to clarify my views to JC. If I wanted to start shit I would have made a comment like "gay ass honda", though it would obviously involve ford and mullets.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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Too bad civics handle like sloppy dog shit.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 09:52 AM
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So you put lowering springs on a Civic,.. Honda's entry level econo shit box,.. and suddenly you have a race car that beats Mustangs?

Thats some good shit there. Puff puff pass nigga.

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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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sick whip, i like the fitting and stance
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by omgwtfbbq!
Its too bad fox bodys handle like sloppy ass. The owner should have built a miata
but then everyone would think he's gay.

and the volk/gt looks good
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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Hell no. It looks good!
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