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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dariby
I will be putting a carb on it. my long tubes were such a bitch to install im thinking about keepin it 2v. How can i reach 600 at the wheels with a 2v?
I really would spend the money on converting to carb.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Krautburner
I really would spend the money on converting to carb.
Why??? Here is what you do. Take your stock 2V block and crank. Install some nice h beam rods and forged pistons. Bump the compression a tad. And then hit it with a 300 shot and keep the FI it will be better to tune. There ya go 600hp.

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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 91Notch
How do you figure? It really works out to being the same price as a push rod motor beleive it or not. Lets put it this way. We just put a 347 in my coupe and we have approx 5,000 wraped up in that motor, We are building a new motor for ChrisN1313 right now. And as of right now with all forged internals, cams, etc. he is actually under the cost of my 347. Now granted he didn't need any machine work to the block but we do have to cut the pistons to make room for the valves. He is sitting at about the 3,000 mark right now. Both these motors are nitrous motors and are going to be tuned to the 600+ hp mark. So tell me how a push rod motor is cheaper?

And why do you want to do a carb setup? Fuel injection is the way of the future.

And thanks for lookin out Jim (fakesnake) we appreciate that. I would rep you if I could but it wont let me right now. I will get ya eventually.
I wanted to carb it so i could install 4v heads cheaply without the cobra everything else. I thought edlebrock was coming out with a 4v intake manifold that would make this easier but im running into walls. are there certian year 4v heads that will fit onto my 1998 shortblock? I have a non pi setup in my 97 so which heads will go where would help guys.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dariby
I wanted to carb it so i could install 4v heads cheaply without the cobra everything else. I thought edlebrock was coming out with a 4v intake manifold that would make this easier but im running into walls. are there certian year 4v heads that will fit onto my 1998 shortblock? I have a non pi setup in my 97 so which heads will go where would help guys.

Unfortunally you still need cobra everything else. Your gonna need the all the cobra timing chains and guides, the cobra 4V timing cover, etc. You need alot do make a 4V swap its not just as easy as putting the heads and intake on. But if you want to do it you need to get a set of 96 to 98 Cobra 4V heads with the intake manifold and everything else I already mentioned. Stay away from the 03/04 heads unless you want to use the supercharger. Sounds nice but there is alot more shit you need for that. IMO build the 2V it will get what your looking for. You will spend more money gettin all the 4V stuff then you think. Numerous head companys make good 2V heads that will probably out perform 4V heads/p>

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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 05:53 PM
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Thanks ladies really good advice here. I am gonna stick with the 2v and fuel injection and im not gonna stroke it. I will need some help converting my 150 dry shot in to a staged 300 wet kit but that will be a while from now. THANK YOU for helping me make up my mind. If you come across any deals for me holler.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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Remember you better do those internals before that 300 shot. And give us a call you can get you setup with that 300 shot.

Dont get me wrong your ideas will work but it all cost's money. You read up on the internet and read magazines and see all these people do this stuff. What you dont see is the hours of labor looking for all the parts, installing them, the cost of the used parts and if they need any work to get them up to par, etc. I guess it all really depends on how deep your wallet is.

Your 2V will be plenty good to do what your lookin for.

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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bvh
you seen to know a thing or 2 about a thing or 2, but why wouldn't you stroke it . my built motor is not stroked but i almost did it. is it the fact that your lengthening the stroke and the bore is not changing much so your motor is no longer square?
No so much squaring the motor. Stroking an already long stroked motor just increases the amount the piston comes out of the cylinder which also increases the side load stress on the piston skirt and wrist pin especially at high rpms. Where do mod motors make power? High rpms. The rod ratio is already poop on the mod motors no need to make it worse. These motors are small bore so they need rpms to move air (i.e. horse power) so increasing the stroke is not what you need. You need a bigger bore. Big bores unshrouds the valves. Only downside is that with cylinder walls that are thin you can't really stuff alot of psi down its throat. Best best is to keep the stock displacement and increase boost/shot. Or go to a 5.4 block. A 5.4 block has a 4.1652 stroke which is longer than a 4.6 but it has a higher deck height so the piston doesn't travel any farther out the bottom of the cylinder than a 4.6 does. So no side load. Just got to have good internals so you can spin it. If you knew the piston speed of a 5.4 at 8k rpms it'd make you puke. lol. -Mark
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 91Notch
Why??? Here is what you do. Take your stock 2V block and crank. Install some nice h beam rods and forged pistons. Bump the compression a tad. And then hit it with a 300 shot and keep the FI it will be better to tune. There ya go 600hp.
Damn it , I meant wouldnt.Typing owns me.
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