Ford to lighten, tighten upcoming version of Lightning pickup.
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Looks like Coletti does not like Dodge having more power than his Lightning. I just hope ths doesn't mean they are having issues making more power so they are going lighter instead. This should get interesting. 
DETROIT -- Ford Motor Co. has no intention of letting the new 500-hp Dodge SRT-10 keep the title of world's fastest truck.
But John Coletti, director of Ford's Special Vehicle Team, acknowledges that automakers have hit a wall on how much horsepower they can give a vehicle. So the automaker will make the next-generation Ford F-150 Lightning pickup go faster by removing weight and improving handling.
"In the next generation, we've got to worry about efficiency, weight and better control," he says. "You can get great power-to-weight ratio without a fountain of horsepower."
Until the Ram SRT-10 pickup debuted this year, the Lightning had been the unchallenged leader in performance trucks for more than a decade.
But in February, the SRT-10 clocked a record speed of 154.587 mph.
Ford SVT engineers have experience in reducing weight with the 2002 Mustang Cobra R, a version for performance enthusiasts.
Strong, lightweight materials such as carbon fiber, magnesium, aluminum, ceramics and plastics can substitute for steel parts without major re-engineering.
Coletti says lighter parts and better-handling suspension systems might not come simultaneously.
"You'll start seeing it in incremental steps," he says. "Now that we have the engines where we want them, the question is what do you do with the rest of the car? Clearly you have to start looking at the weight aspect of it. If I could take 300 or 400 pounds out of the car, I wouldn't have to add any more horsepower. It would just be an incredibly faster, better handling, better braking car. All the attributes would improve."
Coletti believes automakers risk attracting attention from government regulators and the insurance industry by constantly increasing horsepower in their performance-oriented vehicles.
In the last two years, the number of vehicles with engines producing 400 hp to 500 hp and more has grown quickly.
"The focus now has to be better efficiency and weight reduction," Coletti says.
In the heyday of the American muscle car in the late 1960s, only a small number of limited-production vehicles made more than 400 hp.
The ratings of most Pontiac GTOs, Ford Mustangs, Dodge Chargers and Chevrolet Corvettes were in the 300-hp to 375-hp range.
Today, there are at least 14 cars and trucks with at least 400 hp.
Says Coletti: "We're hitting the limit."

DETROIT -- Ford Motor Co. has no intention of letting the new 500-hp Dodge SRT-10 keep the title of world's fastest truck.
But John Coletti, director of Ford's Special Vehicle Team, acknowledges that automakers have hit a wall on how much horsepower they can give a vehicle. So the automaker will make the next-generation Ford F-150 Lightning pickup go faster by removing weight and improving handling.
"In the next generation, we've got to worry about efficiency, weight and better control," he says. "You can get great power-to-weight ratio without a fountain of horsepower."
Until the Ram SRT-10 pickup debuted this year, the Lightning had been the unchallenged leader in performance trucks for more than a decade.
But in February, the SRT-10 clocked a record speed of 154.587 mph.
Ford SVT engineers have experience in reducing weight with the 2002 Mustang Cobra R, a version for performance enthusiasts.
Strong, lightweight materials such as carbon fiber, magnesium, aluminum, ceramics and plastics can substitute for steel parts without major re-engineering.
Coletti says lighter parts and better-handling suspension systems might not come simultaneously.
"You'll start seeing it in incremental steps," he says. "Now that we have the engines where we want them, the question is what do you do with the rest of the car? Clearly you have to start looking at the weight aspect of it. If I could take 300 or 400 pounds out of the car, I wouldn't have to add any more horsepower. It would just be an incredibly faster, better handling, better braking car. All the attributes would improve."
Coletti believes automakers risk attracting attention from government regulators and the insurance industry by constantly increasing horsepower in their performance-oriented vehicles.
In the last two years, the number of vehicles with engines producing 400 hp to 500 hp and more has grown quickly.
"The focus now has to be better efficiency and weight reduction," Coletti says.
In the heyday of the American muscle car in the late 1960s, only a small number of limited-production vehicles made more than 400 hp.
The ratings of most Pontiac GTOs, Ford Mustangs, Dodge Chargers and Chevrolet Corvettes were in the 300-hp to 375-hp range.
Today, there are at least 14 cars and trucks with at least 400 hp.
Says Coletti: "We're hitting the limit."
hmmmmmm..lighter weight materials? does this mean a lighter wallet when you leave the dealship too?
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lightning has a 4r100 transmission.
I don't think the t56 would work out all that well. For one, I think the 450ft/lb of torque the lightning already makes and it's 4700lb curb weight would be too much for the t56. Plus, think about the shifter. To be able to reach it, you'd need a 30" shifter handle. You'd have like a 10" shift throw.
I don't think the t56 would work out all that well. For one, I think the 450ft/lb of torque the lightning already makes and it's 4700lb curb weight would be too much for the t56. Plus, think about the shifter. To be able to reach it, you'd need a 30" shifter handle. You'd have like a 10" shift throw.
Why dont Coletti do what he says he was going to do by running the lightning in the dead of winter at Michigan raceway. When the lightning did its test run wasnt it at the desser in AZ giving itslef a less denser air meaning less power, while the SRT had gobs of cold air to keep the air dense? This is what I heard, they can still eave the truck the way it is, well ok take alil weight off and run it in the cold of winter and beat the 154 MPH top speed of the SRT. The lighting hit 147 wasnt it?
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Originally posted by Mars_302
Consdering Al runs 10s on a stock t56, I dont think it matters much
Consdering Al runs 10s on a stock t56, I dont think it matters much
expect the new lightning to jump up considerably in price, hopefully thats one battle that ford will win
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this second gen L is much heavier than the first gen L and made a lot of people unhappy, but they got a blower motor from teh factory.
as for a t56 in a 4700 lbs truck (add my 220 lbs ass in there and it is close to 5K lbs) and you will have NO traction + hell on clutches. sure al does it, but lets see him do it at 5K lbs. he is at 3300 lbs give or take. i enjoy the fact that the 4r100 tranny is damn strong and has a hard hitting convertor from the factory. 2.0 str stock!
i would say absolutely NO to a manual tranny. the L is all about handling and 1/4 mile. make it handle better is easy. to make it hook well on a t56 and bit tq? tough!
as for a t56 in a 4700 lbs truck (add my 220 lbs ass in there and it is close to 5K lbs) and you will have NO traction + hell on clutches. sure al does it, but lets see him do it at 5K lbs. he is at 3300 lbs give or take. i enjoy the fact that the 4r100 tranny is damn strong and has a hard hitting convertor from the factory. 2.0 str stock!
i would say absolutely NO to a manual tranny. the L is all about handling and 1/4 mile. make it handle better is easy. to make it hook well on a t56 and bit tq? tough!
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Originally Posted by 1Bad00SS
What makes you think you could of keep up with me. Have you ever had that car on a dyno?


