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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 08:39 AM
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okay, i know im not the only one on this forum that could a use a few pointers, so ill just throw this up for anyone that has questions that need to be answered...

if anyone saw my driving at cfrc last friday, theyd notice that i may need a ... few pointers. i did get a few great pointers from boxmod, thank you, but i have a few more questions.

1) when i slide at "home track", im used to sliding 90 to 180 degree turns, so i wait to countersteer for quite some time. on this long swooping corner, i know i should be countersteering quite a bit sooner, BUT how do i know i wont just understeer straight into the wall? i was told to start counter steering as soon as i clutch kick, but im not sure if this will allow me to oversteer around the corner, or just slide straight into the magnetic walls.

this is very hard to explain, i should probably start by explaining that i do not have a hand brake and am severly underpowered... not to mention my car just <3s spinning out.

2) this is my first welded diff, i have been sliding on an open dif for so long, that i still get that uncertanty that both wheels are spinning when i slide. im affraid that it is still acting like an open dif, how do you get out of a mindset like this?

should i stop sliding short 90 degree turns? where in the fuck can i find long swooping turns?

any other usefull tips would be very much appreciated. thank you.
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 09:21 AM
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lol drifting noob 2
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 09:27 AM
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^this, except without the bitching.

i guess my limp wrists dont help much either...
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 09:45 AM
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^this, except without the bitching.

i guess my limp wrists dont help much either...
lol yea without the shit talking

im gonig to follow this thread, i need all the help i can get
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 10:33 AM
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another question to add, i am having a huge problem with hand brake cables and all that jazzy classy shit... has anyone in here gone to hydraulic hand brake? if so what brands are reliable and how did you run it?
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 10:49 AM
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get your e brake to work, replace what you have to replace and be done with it. hydraulic e brake in your car is useless lol..
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 11:12 AM
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but it is the only way that i can have a hand brake. cables are retarded exspensive, and thats IF i can find them. it would actually be cheaper to run hydraulic...
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there is no guarantee that you wont understeer. its all about learning the timing/aggression. if you are snapping it/entering aggressive, you need faster and earlier countersteer.

if you are entering solid, but not crazy insane, then you'd need earlier countersteer but not a ton of it (turn the wheel slower, but dont wait to do it).

or you got your lazy entries where you are kind of waiting on angle to build. turn little later and slower...

there is no 'THIS IS IT' way to explain it, its all on feeling. its always going to be a guess, but the more seat time, the less it feels like your guessing. there is not a single way to enter. sometimes the turn is slower than the run up, sometimes its same, sometimes its broad, sometimes its tight, sometimes its decreasing or increasing radius. all these things can mean you should enter with more/less aggression and angle. its all learning. this is why it takes years to get decent and then more to be able to figure out a course on your own.
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I definitely want you^ to ride along with me atleast once the next time I drive an event whenever the fuck that will finally be.
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Old Jan 10, 2011 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by box240mod
there is no guarantee that you wont understeer. its all about learning the timing/aggression. if you are snapping it/entering aggressive, you need faster and earlier countersteer.

if you are entering solid, but not crazy insane, then you'd need earlier countersteer but not a ton of it (turn the wheel slower, but dont wait to do it).

or you got your lazy entries where you are kind of waiting on angle to build. turn little later and slower...

there is no 'THIS IS IT' way to explain it, its all on feeling. its always going to be a guess, but the more seat time, the less it feels like your guessing. there is not a single way to enter. sometimes the turn is slower than the run up, sometimes its same, sometimes its broad, sometimes its tight, sometimes its decreasing or increasing radius. all these things can mean you should enter with more/less aggression and angle. its all learning. this is why it takes years to get decent and then more to be able to figure out a course on your own.

i value your information quite a bit. i soak this shit up like a sponge lol. i know you said you wouldnt like to, incase you hit a wall, but id really like for you to drive my car sometime on the track. i need a ride along with someone and see how they react to these larger corners.

i think i may be treating every turn like a 90 or 180. i seem to whip it hard and countersteer late. should i try a more gradual "just let the rear break traction instead of flick+clutch kick" approach? i know ill still need to clutch kick or hand break it, but should i stop trying to flick it so hard? like go for less angle?

i think i have an idea, go for less angle and just get around the corner, increasing angle with practice and comfidence...
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