Victim of the Economy?
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I should have some cash saved up from my current temporary overseas job...I think I should invest it into getting skills for a long-term job, but I'm not sure what would pay off. I like playing on computers, thought about flight school, even considered going back to college, but I have a low attention span. I did horrible last time in school... Sometimes, I think I should just buy the necessities for life, like a house, 2 bikes, and cable tv.
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The way I see it, there are two types of people in this world, those that do and those that talk about doing. You see this in all lines of work, from fire fighting to construction work to softare engineering. The problem is not the worker bee, whether it be blue collar, white collar, or any other damn collar, the problem is the MBA management types that don't actually have any skill or contribute anything to overall production or effeciency. All they do all day is tell others what to do and how to do it, even though they themselves don't really have a clue. I refer to these types of people as politicians, or spin artists, since all they do all day is figure out how to take credit for what goes right and how to blame someone else for what goes wrong. I mean, how many times have you had a manager tell you to do something wrong? I have it happen all the time.
The sad part about it is that more and more people have figured out that management, especially middle and upper management, is the easiest job with the greatest pay. So instead of having productive workers that are pushing the envelope of their respective fields, innovating, staying on top of the latest trends and technology, providing value to a company, you have a bunch of people sitting around a meeting room asking each other how to get more value out of the same worker bees and patting each other on the back for a job well done, even though they don't actually DO anything.
It is like the old joke where there are ten people in a row boat, one guy rowing and nine yelling at him to row harder. Then when they are not moving fast enough they add an eleventh person to yell at the nine that are yelling at the one rower. It is a joke, but it is so funny because it is exactly what you see in the real world a lot of the time.
The sad part about it is that more and more people have figured out that management, especially middle and upper management, is the easiest job with the greatest pay. So instead of having productive workers that are pushing the envelope of their respective fields, innovating, staying on top of the latest trends and technology, providing value to a company, you have a bunch of people sitting around a meeting room asking each other how to get more value out of the same worker bees and patting each other on the back for a job well done, even though they don't actually DO anything.
It is like the old joke where there are ten people in a row boat, one guy rowing and nine yelling at him to row harder. Then when they are not moving fast enough they add an eleventh person to yell at the nine that are yelling at the one rower. It is a joke, but it is so funny because it is exactly what you see in the real world a lot of the time.
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As for the what skill is worth $50,000 question, any skill that only a select few individuals can do. A great chef can command six figures easily, because not many people can do what they do. A good computer programmer or IT specialist can command good money as well, as we live in the information age where demand for technology based positions is everywhere and not everyone is willing or able to learn the technical skills needed to fill the positions. By the same token the best mechanics can command six figure salaries as they can work for race teams or high end clients like celebrities and professional athletes. Right now nurses can command really good money because there is a nurse shortage. It is all about supply and demand.
Firefighters should get paid more in my opinion because they provide an essential service, but too many people want to be firefighters so their pay stays low. If they made it more difficult to become a firefighter, stricter physical requirements, more difficult intellectual requirements, whatever, there would be less people qualified for the position and pay would go up.
Firefighters should get paid more in my opinion because they provide an essential service, but too many people want to be firefighters so their pay stays low. If they made it more difficult to become a firefighter, stricter physical requirements, more difficult intellectual requirements, whatever, there would be less people qualified for the position and pay would go up.
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i feel the medical field is one of the few places that are still stable. the overtime is getting less but that is because the number of people to fill the empty positions is finally coming around. this sucks for the people who eat up the overtime though.
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you are a fucking idiot...yes alot of people are lazy and blame their prollems on the economy as an excuse but truth is they dont want to get off their lazy ass and get a job but there are people that were making 50k+ at their job and get laid off its not that they think a minimum wage job is under them so they sit home and bitch maybe they just have 4 kids or so and cant make ends meet on minimum wage...maybe their wife has cancer and they are footing her medical bills and their 2 kids bills...just cause they used to make 50k+ a year and say they cant make ends meet on minimum wage doesnt meen they dont want to sell their benz and buy a honda...maybe there is just more to it...also i have applied anywere from mcdonalds to doctors offices and cant find a job...i dont care of the money i just need a damn job...and im sure there are people out there just like me...hell there are 2 people working at the burger king down the road that have a college diploma they just couldnt find another job...
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you are a fucking idiot...yes alot of people are lazy and blame their prollems on the economy as an excuse but truth is they dont want to get off their lazy ass and get a job but there are people that were making 50k+ at their job and get laid off its not that they think a minimum wage job is under them so they sit home and bitch maybe they just have 4 kids or so and cant make ends meet on minimum wage...maybe their wife has cancer and they are footing her medical bills and their 2 kids bills...just cause they used to make 50k+ a year and say they cant make ends meet on minimum wage doesnt meen they dont want to sell their benz and buy a honda...maybe there is just more to it...also i have applied anywere from mcdonalds to doctors offices and cant find a job...i dont care of the money i just need a damn job...and im sure there are people out there just like me...hell there are 2 people working at the burger king down the road that have a college diploma they just couldnt find another job...
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I just made an online payment to my student loans...$4,000 and I'll owe absolutely nothing to anyone. What a great feeling...I could actually get a minimum wage job and live at my parents' house when I'm done working over here, unless I transfer to Afganistan (or maybe Iran?)
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Well, alot of this crisis was caused by many levels, first the banks greed to give a mortgage to every toothless redneck who walked through the door. Second, that same toothless redneck who assumed that leaving his trailer for a $250,000 house was a great idea! This is also greed. I'm not going to go on a limb but chances are if you didn't screw yourself by living outside of your means chances are you are still stable in this economy. Alot of the houses in my area being forclosed on are Maronda's homes, and if you live/lived in spring hill you know exacltly what im talking about. I bought a home low, didnt have much of an income, realized that now the economy is in the shitter it's time to do something before my savings goes away, i picked up a second job, work online, as well as some auto side work out of the garage. So now i'm stable, do i have any time to go to the green iguana on the weekend? No, but i know damn sure i'll do my best to keep all i have. Moral is if you live for today, expect a rough financial situation, if you live for tommorow and can financial plan, you can weather it out.
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I don't think you want to go down this road with me.
The IT field is not over rated and due to this economy it is UNDER paid. You should 1st walk a mile on this shoes before you comment on what you don't know.
The world as we know it, would come to a sudden halt without the current networks that are in place.
They support your phones, your cell phones, your Internet, your banks, your supermarkets, soon TV, etc, etc... to go back to the way it used to be would be monumental under taking and expense now that fiber (light) is on par or cheaper than copper.
Not to mention the fact that we have to continue to learn and gain experience when new technologies come out every quarter. The stuff I learned and mastered on last years HW will soon be obsolete.
The companies know this and have started sending our jobs overseas to cheaper less experienced workers, and we'll not go into having to understand one of those fuckers when we need their help... been there lately? I'm sure most here have experienced that shity ass service.
To add insult to injury the jobs that they are not sending overseas have ridiculous requirements. The want a single person to be to manage switches, routers, Intel, Sun @ hardware levels as well as be proficient with Databases (weather SQL or Oracle), IIS, Unix, Windows & the latests VMWare and pay them 40-50K? Are you fucking kidding me?
The real problem are the assholes making the decisions, the asshole getting million $ bonuses every year regardless of the companies profitability, and the other fuck heads that are retiring or coming to the end of their 5 year contracts as CEO or other upper management jobs they hold and get their fucking retirement fund as a sign off bonus... fucking golden parachutes whoring bastards.
Now how many $50k jobs can does assholes afford, or better yet, LAID OFF so they can get their golden parachutes while IT is doing all the work they take credit for?
The IT field is not over rated and due to this economy it is UNDER paid. You should 1st walk a mile on this shoes before you comment on what you don't know.
The world as we know it, would come to a sudden halt without the current networks that are in place.
They support your phones, your cell phones, your Internet, your banks, your supermarkets, soon TV, etc, etc... to go back to the way it used to be would be monumental under taking and expense now that fiber (light) is on par or cheaper than copper.
Not to mention the fact that we have to continue to learn and gain experience when new technologies come out every quarter. The stuff I learned and mastered on last years HW will soon be obsolete.
The companies know this and have started sending our jobs overseas to cheaper less experienced workers, and we'll not go into having to understand one of those fuckers when we need their help... been there lately? I'm sure most here have experienced that shity ass service.
To add insult to injury the jobs that they are not sending overseas have ridiculous requirements. The want a single person to be to manage switches, routers, Intel, Sun @ hardware levels as well as be proficient with Databases (weather SQL or Oracle), IIS, Unix, Windows & the latests VMWare and pay them 40-50K? Are you fucking kidding me?
The real problem are the assholes making the decisions, the asshole getting million $ bonuses every year regardless of the companies profitability, and the other fuck heads that are retiring or coming to the end of their 5 year contracts as CEO or other upper management jobs they hold and get their fucking retirement fund as a sign off bonus... fucking golden parachutes whoring bastards.
Now how many $50k jobs can does assholes afford, or better yet, LAID OFF so they can get their golden parachutes while IT is doing all the work they take credit for?
where I'm sure all that sucks... if you think the job isn't worth the pay. why does everyone want to be one? I sware there's 50 just on tr/tf.... plus I know you love this tech stuff man. you'd be up on the latest and greatest even if they didn't pay you at all lol
I know guys that pull 50+ plus out of flat rate dealership jobs and high end bodyshops. maybe you should go try that, I get the feeling you enjoy working on bikes, cars arnt much harder when the shop is setup right. anyone smart enough to do IT work can surely sand and spray a car or fix some shit quickly enough to make good money.
my point being, if you spend a year doing hard work, you'd be happy to go back and deal with what you feel underpaid while sitting at home inside your warm house doing now. and yes I understand the world relies on networks of all kinds these days.... I just can't get over guys in white shirts sitting around a board room pushing papers making 10 times what the guys out putting in a hard days labor building shit make.
on another random but job related note, I just happened to get a call back from a job in TN that I interviewed with almost 6 months ago. so I may get to ride some good roads someday afterall.
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show me one tech doing 50k in a dealership right now, we have one guy out of a group of 10. Only because he is a trans tech.. we're starving here. There isn't a tech that can just start at any dealership turning 50K especially now.
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