Those prices aren't even that cheap. I could beat that price very easily. Tire prices in the area are bad. A lot places still think they can charge retail prices on them. We sell all at cost which is the same deal u Raul gets at sky.

 

The thing about the PC3 is that every time you put something new on the bike, you have to (or should imo) get a re-tune for the best power outcome after throwing the new stuff on there... that's basically why I was saying that this system would pay for itself over time. I doubt reliability is an issue in these things due to the fact that they work with the ECU on the motorcycle that carries safeguards for the motor just in case something did go horribly wrong on your tuning apparatus. About the traction control, I don't know much about it w/ the bazzaz because I haven't researched it much... however, one would assume that if the back tire starts to spin and it has any type of control on rear tire spin, anything helps. Is it worth an extra 300 dollars for the top model w/ the traction control? I wouldn't pay for it... not now at least, not until I heard from actual users and reliable sources that it was worth a damn. Once I had that proof, I'd scoop it up for my bike/leathers/skin/everything sake.

 

Yeah I haven't really gotten a whole lot of feedback on the systems yet. Ross from Velocity Moto bought several of the traction control systems for track bikes and they supposedly worked really well. But like you said the average person isn't going to spend that kind of money on one.

 

I don't have a very high opinion of Ross after a buddy of mine had a few different dealings with him. Don't get me wrong, he can be a nice guy when it puts $ in his pocket.

 

Yeah he's always cool with us. But he did go out of business so I guess he wasn't doing something right.

 

D1ngo last we spoke, after your Vette had the SC installed it called for some tuning, and from what little I understand, once the mods get way out of wack tuning is still a necessity with closed end loop FI systems even in cars.

Which leads me to believe that these systems can only offer a small range of adjustment, such as climate changes.

If the Bazzaz setup can compensate for bigger changes, such as higher fuel injectors, porting, cams, turbos, etc... that is indeed pretty bad ass.

For the most part the PC3 and Full exh tune is sufficient, and it would make sense to retune with more drastic changes as is also needed with closed end systems... that is if I understand that stuff right.

 

Sorry to hear that... but its the economy, i don't think he treated people bad or anything.

Didn't know that was you Patrick... did you ever find out about those stealth sprockets you were looking into for me. I forgot all about it man... I have since moved to TN.

 

yeah they are available and can get them in a couple days i forgot the pricing off hand i can get the prices for you tomorrow, What size did you need?

 

I was under the impression that it could. Again, I don't know much about it so I really have no idea.

 

The self tuning feature would keep it at a safe AFR since the closed loop tuner has a wideband O2 sensor. The O2 sensors in 90% of the cars/trucks on the road is a narrowband. Which means it can only see a lean or rich condition, not an actual AFR reading. The standalone I have in the Suby has a wideband built in and it can selftune. All you need to do is enter the injector size, target AFR, timing and, from what I've read, it gets pretty damn close to perfect with just a few WOT pulls. I'm sure the Bazzaz is the same way. I'm willing to bet that your average bike (full system, filter, head, and cams) will be fine with the self tuner. Unless, for some reason, it sucks.