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Old 05-02-2004, 06:08 PM
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Police cracking down on "boom cars" and car alarms. Will Florida be next? People in RI, Chicago, and New York are getting towed if they have a car alarm or tickets for car audio systems louder than 80db from 25 feet away.

As if the nation's economic woes were not enough of a challenge for mobile electronics retailers to overcome, anti-noise activists have intensified efforts to put in place legislation against both audible car security devices and loud automotive audio systems, citing rampant disturbance of population as the primary offense. Communities such as Elgin, IL and Rochester, NY have empowered law-enforcement officers to seize vehicles on the spot for violating noise codes, and the New York City Council has already begun debate on legislation banning the use of any audible type of security device. Retailers in these communities and others across the U.S. have been affected by this unanticipated opposition, and forced to respond by lobbying on their own behalf. The Mobile Enhancement Retailers Association (MERA) has also begun to address these issues, apparently a legitimate threat to the future sales of mobile audio and security devices.

Seemingly, the most immediate threat to commerce is in New York City, where two City Council members have introduced bills banning the installation and/or use of any audible car alarm within the five boroughs (Queens, Brooklyn, The Bronx, Manhattan and Staten Island). One of the lobbyists supporting the action is Aaron Friedman, a project manager for a group called Transportation Alternatives. "We are trying to get an outright ban on audible car alarms," said Friedman. "I am convinced that they do not work at all, especially in an urban environment," he stated, citing a 1997 study done by the auto insurance industry's Highway Loss Data Institute that came to the conclusion that car alarms "have no effect at all" on theft rates. It is Transportation Alternatives' position that the use of immobilizers, paging systems and tracking devices would provide better security to vehicle owners without the risk of disturbing people in the process.

New York City Council members John Liu and Eva Moskowitz presented the proposed bills banning audible car alarm devices at a public hearing on June 11, with representatives from Directed Electronics, Audiovox and the Consumer Electronics Association in attendance. The City Council requested testimony from the New York City Police Department, during which they were asked if car alarms prevented theft, vandalism, or had led to the arrest of any perpetrators. The NYC police spokesperson was unable to provide any data supporting the use of security devices. "The people in my district are constantly bothered by the noise generated by these systems," reported councilman John Liu. "I think they would live with the noise if car alarms were effective, but there is no proof that the devices deter or prevent theft. The citizens of New York City are frustrated by the belief that car alarms do nothing at all," Liu explained. "There are better devices today that deter theft and allow police to track and recover vehicles," said Liu. "It has become a cost/benefit issue, and the cost to the people of New York City far outweighs the benefits," Liu added. The June 11 hearing was the first forum used to address the car alarm issue within the NYC political system, and there is a second hearing scheduled for fall. "Although there may be some modifications to the proposed bills such as the section pertaining to penalties, I am hoping that they go before the council for a vote," Liu reported. "I am amazed when I step into a store or look through a magazine at the advances in technology, however, there are some things that simply do not work," said Liu. "I have even brought up concerns about consumer fraud regarding these car alarm systems. People spend big money on them and they do not deter or prevent theft," he added. When asked about the potential loss of jobs that could result from such a ban, Councilman Liu responded, "It is important to preserve jobs; however, I do not believe in promoting jobs within an industry just for the sake of keeping jobs. I am an advocate of what works, and for the discontinuation of products that do not serve the best interests of consumers here in New York City," Liu concluded.

Citizens angered by the intrusive rumble of "boom cars" have begun to speak up in communities all over the United States. The group Noise Free America has chapters in several states and is embattled trying to quiet everything from car stereo systems to motorcycles and even leaf blowers. "I don't mind the SPL competitions, but that freedom should not extend into my living room," commented Mark Huber, communications director for Noise Free America. "How can you not love music? It gets inside of you and you turn it up! I would never deny anyone that feeling," commented Huber. That being said, he emphasized that quiet is essential for deliberate thought. "Quiet is not silence," he explained. "I just want to be able to hear the neighborhood kids. The constant rumble created by the boom cars masks day-to-day sounds that people have a right to experience," said Huber, who suggested that there should be a contest added to the competition circuit that focuses on how great the sound could be inside a car without causing external disturbance. "I feel sorry for a lot of the kids who have gone out and spent all of that money for a car audio system and end up getting busted."

"Getting busted" is now a reality in some communities such as Elgin and Rochester, where there are laws that prohibit excessive noise emanating from a car stereo system. The Rochester legislations states: "No person shall operate or cause to be operated any motor vehicle in such a manner that the sound level emitted therefrom exceeds eighty (80) dB(A) either: 1) At a distance of 25 feet or more from the path of the vehicle when operated on a public street or sidewalk or in a public park or other public place; or 2) At or beyond the property line when operated on private property." The legislation then states: "Any motor vehicle used in connection with the commission of a violation of this section shall be towed..."

Matt Carpenter, president and general manager of Rochester's Stereo Shop (founded in 1983), stated that the law did have an effect on sales of mobile electronics products from his establishment. "At first it was bad. People came back wanting to return what they had purchased," Carpenter recalled. "People got tickets, and sales were certainly affected. Now, they pay more attention to looking out for law enforcement," he explained. "The police may not be as strict as they were initially. The big push here now is regarding cell phone use. It has to be hands-free while driving," said Carpenter.

Emery Kapral is a 22-year old store manager and audio enthusiast at Prime Time, another 12-volt retailer in the Rochester area. "I would say that the law had a pretty big effect in terms of loss of sales," said Kapral. "The kids around here are tired of being harassed," he added. "We do cruise nights down at the beach (Rochester is located on Lake Ontario) that attract about 2,000 cars, and many of them still have the stock stereo system," I Kapral stated, blaming the tough local laws at least in part for the waning interest in audio upgrades.

"I hear customers bring up the issue [of the ordinances] in the store, but it does not appear to stop them from buying a system," related David Kendig, president of The Speaker Place (founded in 197. "It does make them think twice about cranking it up, though," Kendig added. "I also suspect that the customer demographic is changing their focus away from audio towards things like shift knobs, mufflers and general hot-rodding. That in combination with the state of the economy is more to blame for slow sales than the noise ordinances," commented Kendig.


During the late 1990s, the city of Chicago established noise ordinances empowering police to stop and confiscate any vehicle causing a disturbance. "I still hear customers complaining: oh, they took my truck, it cost me $565 to get it back," reported Binu Bayalo, president of Pro Sound in Chicago. "Customers are not buying big systems like they used to, although I am sure some of that is because of the economy. I hear them crying about not having any money," said Bayalo. "Even though the enforcement seems not to be as strict as it once was, I think my customers got the message. Sales are down, big time," he added. Once the city of Chicago had demonstrated success with their ordinances, many of the smaller surrounding communities were soon to follow. "There seems to be a lot less complaints from within the community," reported lieutenant Mike Turner, the public information officer in Elgin, which is just outside of Chicago. "It was quite an eye-opener for offenders to receive a $250 fine and a mandatory court appearance," Turner added. "There are a lot less of those cars running around." The officers in Elgin have been empowered by legislation that states: "no driver or owner of any motor vehicle within the city shall operate or permit operation of any sound amplification system which can be heard outside the vehicle from 75 feet when the vehicle is being operated upon a street, highway or roadway unless such a system is being operated to request assistance or warn of a hazardous situation." Other language in the document states that there will be a fine ($250) plus towing and storage fees, and that any vehicle unclaimed after 30-days can "be disposed of as provided by law." A vehicle that can be heard from 75 feet or more is in violation of the code, and it is left to "officer's discretion" to make the final determination. "This is a quality of life issue for the people of Elgin," Turner added. "We are getting a lot of compliments from citizens who support our efforts," he stated.


Clearly, it is time for the consumer electronics industry, including manufacturers, retailers and related organizations, to prepare for an onslaught of restrictive legislation by acting responsibly and meeting these challenges head-on. Why have false alarms been such a problem in densely populated areas? How can consumers be motivated to listen to their audio systems responsibly? Are the marketing strategies used within the industry responsible and in the best long-term interests of the CE community? These are questions that are likely to shape the future of the mobile electronics industry in the very near future because legislators are debating their next moves right now.
And people wonder why I am such a dick when it comes to systems and neighborhoods, and its because shit like this happens. If only people could play their audio systems responsibly...

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cliff notes please........... i think im gonna put that on my back window when i get my solobaric. "Boom Car" thats catchy
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if the spl is 80 dbs 25 feet form teh car on the road, you cna get a ticket..or 80 dbs at the edge of private property
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yea but if you talk to a cop most of them will say if i can hear it you can have a ticket
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Yep.. I've received two tickets since I got my license when I was 16.. both when I was younger. Both officers told me that if they can hear it at all, they can ticket. I'm sure you could find a way to fight, but its not really worth it.

Definitely not anything new. They've been giving out these tickets for 10+ years.. I doubt there is any "crackdown"..
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Definitely not anything new. They've been giving out these tickets for 10+ years.. I doubt there is any "crackdown"..
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Definitely not anything new. They've been giving out these tickets for 10+ years.. I doubt there is any "crackdown"..
Well I always read about people trying to be against it but not the cops accually doing anything about it. I ALWAYS play my system and I never gotten a ticket for it. So around here cops jus say if they can hear it u get a ticket? Thats some bullshit.
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well if youre sitting at alight and annoyingthe shit out of a cop by blasting your system...odds are you'll get a tcket
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you think its bad here try going to spring nationals in datona i was there because my shop had a van in the kicker booth, i was watching the cops pull ppl over it was sic, there was a cop every 100 feet going down a1a and they would stop you for every thing.
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