Need your .02

[Ronald Mcdonald]

I posted this in General Car Chat, and wanted to see what kind of response I could get from you guys.
Ok, I'm contemplating doing a hybrid swap, and I'm sure it's been done...but I haven't been able to find anything about it on the internet. I want to take a AE86 coupe, and throw away the 4AC it has right now, and put in a KA24 with plans of turbo'ing it. Yeah, that's right, a turbo KA into a corolla. Just wondering if the crossmember needs to be modified at all, how hard would wiring be, and yes I did think about the fact that a stock sr-5 rear-end wouldn't hold up to that kinda power... I was thinking maybe a gt's rear-end, although I have heard they aren't good for more than 200HP?? Just looking for thoughts on this swap, how hard you think it might be, and approximately how much it might cost?

[jonBODON]

club4ag.com


search ka ae86 you should find info..i know some members built some...and most used gts rear end from what i remember...anyways i think club4ag would be your best bet for info..

[170k240]

youre crazy joe rogan

[mikespeed95]

can you weld?

not are you planning to learn, but do you own a welder, understand how to properly use it, and understand what types of metal you need.

ORRRRR

are you ready to pay a shop to do this

if you answered NO to both of these, please dont continue your quest for a ka-t in a ae86, as realistically its not going to happen, so us walking you thru figuring out how to do it will completely be a waste of everyones time.

[jonBODON]

if you answered NO to both of these, please dont continue your quest for a ka-t in a ae86, as realistically its not going to happen, so us walking you thru figuring out how to do it will completely be a waste of everyones time.
hmm..actully have to agree with ya on that.

but if you answerd yes to one or both...go to club4ag read up, do it your self..or atleast go to a shop knowing what you want them to do. anyways good luck..
id love to see a ka-t ae86 around here...im thinking of doing a single cam KA with itb's....but yeah good luck.
-Jon

[Funk]

ka's are heavy

[mikespeed95]

is this to imply a 4age is light?

smaller yes, but its still boat anchor iron block SPL

[dan]

nothin wrong with iron blocks. you'd only need like 7psi 250whp setup to have a fun little car anyways.

spork up in NC did it. i dont think he is turbocharged yet, but i know he had a running KA in his corolla. i do not know much about it, perhaps he ran a megasquirt or something along those lines.

it would at least require custom mounts, perhaps tranny tunnel work depending on the size differences between corolla and 240sx transmissions and how you get it to sit in regards to how far back in the engine bay it sits.

i would think the GT-S rear end is enough, perhaps those who know about Taka's 400+whp AE86 might know what rear end he used.

do plan on alot of fab, wiring, and innovation, and money :)

[lunchbox]

i wanted to do it untill i saw how tall and huge a ka is compared to a 4age it takes lots of welding and fab work massage the fire wall and tranny tunnel .. i say do it

but i bet you wont

[I'm Phucked]

front heavy and will understeer when you need it most.

[lunchbox]

there is pretty much no such thing as a understeer happy corolla..kinda like taking the weight out of the back of a car.. adding some more weight in the front works alot like that .. so much so as i feel the need to have a little more weight in the rear of my car and i only have a 20v and around 30 more hp than the 16v

[spoonfed]

do it. if not for anything more than novelty

[mikespeed95]

front heavy and will understeer when you need it most.
since suspension tuning is so out of the question....how much weight does an iron block 2.4l add over an iron block 1.6 l seriously. 50 lb? cry me a river. put a lighter hood and bumper on it and your back to square one. cry me a river.

[lunchbox]

since suspension tuning is so out of the question....how much weight does an iron block 2.4l add over an iron block 1.6 l seriously. 50 lb? cry me a river. put a lighter hood and bumper on it and your back to square one. cry me a river.


was that scarcasm? the suspension tuning?...

[hachibill]

nothin wrong with iron blocks. you'd only need like 7psi 250whp setup to have a fun little car anyways.

spork up in NC did it. i dont think he is turbocharged yet, but i know he had a running KA in his corolla. i do not know much about it, perhaps he ran a megasquirt or something along those lines.

it would at least require custom mounts, perhaps tranny tunnel work depending on the size differences between corolla and 240sx transmissions and how you get it to sit in regards to how far back in the engine bay it sits.

i would think the GT-S rear end is enough, perhaps those who know about Taka's 400+whp AE86 might know what rear end he used.

do plan on alot of fab, wiring, and innovation, and money :)


taka's old car had a supra rear end in it, there is no way a stock gt-s or even sr5 rear end will hold up.

and why in the hell would you want to ruin a perfactly good corolla with such a POS (piece of shit) motor!! omg, you mine as well throw a ls1 in it and make the titanic complete. what a complete waste of time and money. not only will you completely ruin the handling of the car, but the fact that its the crappiest nissan motor evaRRRRR. don't listen to mikespeed, he thinks a aluminum v8 is lighter than a cast iron 4.

but back on topic, if you do this you will be gayer than all the emo fags on this board and all the clown dick mods and admins as well. lol

now what do you plan on using the car for???? if its just for drag racing then the kat would be a great way to go, then again that crappy v8 comes to mind too. if you actually plan on turning and stoping, then i would suggest an alternative. depending on your budget and how off you want to go, just do an SR or even better stay toyota. i can think of no less than 10 great (toyota) motors that would love the corolla as a home. and one prety good honda motor that would make the corolla sick. then again, you did ask for my .02, and i would think i would know more than most of this board, but take that as you may.

just for god sake DO NOT put a ka in a corolla. basically ka into corolla = www.meatspin.com

[ElSuperSpic]

Qft! ^

[jonBODON]

and i would think i would know more than most of this board, but take that as you may.


but you didnt know what my motor was....










jk

[Garage Battle]

I posted this in General Car Chat, and wanted to see what kind of response I could get from you guys.
Ok, I'm contemplating doing a hybrid swap, and I'm sure it's been done...but I haven't been able to find anything about it on the internet. I want to take a AE86 coupe, and throw away the 4AC it has right now, and put in a KA24 with plans of turbo'ing it. Yeah, that's right, a turbo KA into a corolla. Just wondering if the crossmember needs to be modified at all, how hard would wiring be, and yes I did think about the fact that a stock sr-5 rear-end wouldn't hold up to that kinda power... I was thinking maybe a gt's rear-end, although I have heard they aren't good for more than 200HP?? Just looking for thoughts on this swap, how hard you think it might be, and approximately how much it might cost?


http://www.spiceee.com/pensaletes/img-bin/things-that-never-happen-cover.gif

[RaidenKing]

KA with Auto, Cat and accessories = 596 lbs.
LS1 w/ T56 transmission and accessories = 468 lbs

hit that shit up like project pat

[B18C5-EG]

Agreed with Bill. I highly doubt a GT-S rear will hold. I must say im not too much of a fan of the idea of KA > Corolla but to his is his own :D. GL keep us updated :)

[mikespeed95]

don't listen to mikespeed, he thinks a aluminum v8 is lighter than a cast iron 4.


well with bill math 390<350 so i guess whatever.:lol:

[mikespeed95]

KA with Auto, Cat and accessories = 596 lbs.
LS1 w/ T56 transmission and accessories = 468 lbs

hit that shit up like project pat


but the auto is heavier than a manual by at least 140 pounds!!!!!!! :lol:

also fwiw, a t56 shipping wieght is 140lb.

468
-140
328

bill also wanted to argue that a 1uz is lightr because toyota is better at everything (thus the mkIII supra, also one of bills favorites) and the 1uz had to be lighter with its quad cam design, and aluminum everything, beacuse the ls1 is "big" 5.7 liter motor, with one cam, tiny heads with no parts in them, and plastic intake manifold and other bits and peices....even though he searched and found a 1uz longblock wieghs 390, yet its still lighter than a ls1....haha




i love you bill, but you will catch shit about this for a while.

[mikespeed95]

Agreed with Bill. I highly doubt a GT-S rear will hold. I must say im not too much of a fan of the idea of KA > Corolla but to his is his own :D. GL keep us updated :)


its a cheap upgrade, nothing more.

[mikespeed95]

was that scarcasm? the suspension tuning?...


do you people seriously not know how to setup a car? if you add weight to the front, and it actually makes the car handle slightly differeint it *is* possible to go drive it, play with shock, swaybar, tire pressure, tire size, spring, ride height adjustments to make it perform to your liking.

amazing but true.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

do you people seriously not know how to setup a car? if you add weight to the front, and it actually makes the car handle slightly differeint it *is* possible to go drive it, play with shock, swaybar, tire pressure, tire size, spring, ride height adjustments to make it perform to your liking.

amazing but true.


Thank you...So many people keep saying that it will mess up the whole weight ( sp? ) distribution of the car. As long as you set it up right, it should be fine. Plus with the added power of a turbo 2.4L, it will also make up for the added weight. The only thing I am not liking about the whole idea, is the fact that turbo KA's aren't the best motor, but the fact that you can pick up a decent stock KA for around $250 makes me think that even if I blow one or two up while getting everything worked out, I still will be spending less than if I went with a SR, or something similar.

[*Ryan*]

ive heard of it and heard it was a monster drifter .......but like i said just heard and saw a out side pic.

it looked like a Zenki coupe, primer colord with POWERED BY NISSAN on the raer QP....

[jonBODON]

primer colord with POWERED BY NISSAN on the raer QP....
coulda been sr?
there is ALOT with sr20's in japan



anyways..so have you thought anymore about going ka-t????

[mikespeed95]

where are you getting ka for 250 dollar?

honestly, for what you are doing it *might* be cheaper to go the sr route for once. since you will be utilizing EVERYTHING and i mean EVERYthing from the front clip it might be cheaper/better to just go sr.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

anyways..so have you thought anymore about going ka-t????

Yeah, I'm still not positive if it's the route I'm going to take, but the more I think about it, the better it sounds. 2.4L+turbo+Light ass RWD car=Bad-ass car.

Maybe I'll compare the pricing on doing a SR vs. doing the KA-T.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

http://www.myonlineimages.com/Members/zerodrifter/images/sr20det.jpg

I am liking the way that engine looks inside that engine bay...

[Ronald Mcdonald]

This is in a RHD Corolla Levin, It's an SR20, and there is minimal trans tunnel modifications needed:
http://shoeys.com/gallery2/albums/Family-Projects/sprinter4.sized.jpg

[Jordan T]

im not

[Jordan T]

here you go


http://club4ag.com/images/20V%20AE86%20Process/DSC00007.JPG

[Ronald Mcdonald]

Not liking the color, but heres another one:
http://www.technotoytuning.com/gallery/images/MVC-853F.jpg



After seeing some of these, maybe I will go the SR route, still not positive. That's why I made this thread.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

im not


Your not what?

[Jordan T]

liking that picture



keep it simple and cost effective 4ag it. leave the big engine swaps to the professionals, that swap would easly break $6000

[Ronald Mcdonald]

liking that picture



keep it simple and cost effective 4ag it. leave the big engine swaps to the professionals, that swap would easly break $6000


I'm not too worried about cost, because when I get past the planning stages, It's gonna be a while before I start this, because I want to save up first, get all the body/suspension/interior work done first, and start getting the parts I will need before I even start taking out the engine. I plan on doing this car ground up, and doing it right the first time. Jordan, give me a call man, I want to talk to you about that car your friend has.

[Jordan T]

he wants $400

[Ronald Mcdonald]

he wants $400


I might have that real soon for him, just got to find out about something first. Call me a little later, Rachel and I are going to a movie, you wanna come along?

[jonBODON]

hmm or you could stay 4ag and do somthing like this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bodon/IMG_1022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bodon/IMG_1095.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bodon/IMG_1155.jpg

[Ronald Mcdonald]

That's a beautiful looking motor, but I kinda don't wanna go with a 4AGE, or any of the other 4AGZE, 4AC or anything like that. I don't know why, and I can't really explain it, but I either wanna go with a SR or KA-T, and right now, it's just deciding between the two.

[lunchbox]

That's a beautiful looking motor, but I kinda don't wanna go with a 4AGE, or any of the other 4AGZE, 4AC or anything like that. I don't know why, and I can't really explain it, but I either wanna go with a SR or KA-T, and right now, it's just deciding between the two.

then get a 240 you blastphemous little turd

they are alot easier to drive... and you wont wreck it in 20 mins like you will a corolla with more than 150 hp

[mikespeed95]

hmm or you could stay 4ag and do somthing like this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bodon/IMG_1022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bodon/IMG_1095.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bodon/IMG_1155.jpg

look mommy, a 10 thousand dollar motor that cant even run 14's!

[Jordan T]

look mommy, a 10 thousand dollar motor that cant even run 14's!


i have to say that is pretty funny but its true so it makes it sad.



swapping that KA-T paperweight in that car would be like mini me with a black mans whang

[Ronald Mcdonald]

swapping that KA-T paperweight in that car would be like mini me with a black mans whang

And that is exactly what I love about it. Are you going to call me or what mother fucker? <3

[Jordan T]

lol, im going out for a while so i cant go to the movie plus im broke



fail

[Ronald Mcdonald]

Well, call me later then, I need to ask you a few questions about that car.

[jonBODON]

[QUOTE]look mommy, a 10 thousand dollar motor that cant even run 14's! [QUOTE]

guess i better get rid of my roll bar since my car cant even run 14s...
wait...so im posting in the drifting forum cuase i care about having a car that can run 14s?? fuck drag racing, fuck runing 14s 13s 12s 9s...ill take a car that can handle runing a race for hours, runing faster lap times then a ALL motor peice of shit that can run"14s" or any time faster...ill let ya know what my car runs at sebring since i def cant run 14s with my redtop :[ nor do i have 10k in my motor..

idk maybe it just me..but idk..idk how a motor with around 220 230HP in a hachi couldnt run 14s.
hahah whatever tho...agian like i said good luck with whatever you do...if you need help im willing to lend a helping hand. later.

[mikespeed95]

240 at the wheels? dyno chart please. unless thats an atlantic motor.

some people liek cars that can outclass a viper in several different ways.


seriously though, just because you have a rollbar doesnt make you fast. i bet your gonna take on formula d because your car has a cage too huh?:lol:

[jonBODON]

seriously though, just because you have a rollbar doesnt make you fast. i bet your gonna take on formula d because your car has a cage too huh?:haha:
240? thats a nice number to bad i didnt say that...and yeah a whole 10 hp does make a diffrence...and lets just say the motor im working with has 200 stock..its like a 20v that got crunk...so ya count from there..and no its not on boost.
and your the only one who ask is my car was fast cuase the cage..and what did i tell you" no its a fuckin corolla" but the car isnt build for fast going straight (and no im talkin bout slide'n)
ill show you the charts as soon as the beast lives.
oh and fuck formula d, why would i wanna be a formula lame anyways?

[lunchbox]

dont worry jon mike is a corolla hater..

btw.. my fairly untuned 20v ran a 15.076 at a rice night without a proper tree launch just a green light go deal. and my estimate for hp is only 135 right now

im not saying its super fast .. but its quick enuf to drift road race and have fun in taka aono's 20v is 200hp and it keeps up with your ls1? oh wait.. its higher in points than you are?? awwww

listen ur a ok dude mike but seriously one of the biggest e-hardass know it alls ive ever seen ..
think of it like this just beacause you have an opinion dont mean everyone else has to have it .. or even care about it..
now come on over and we can take care of the sandy vagina with the pressure washer <3

[jonBODON]

:)

[mikespeed95]

240? thats a nice number to bad i didnt say that...and yeah a whole 10 hp does make a diffrence...and lets just say the motor im working with has 200 stock..its like a 20v that got crunk...so ya count from there..and no its not on boost.
and your the only one who ask is my car was fast cuase the cage..and what did i tell you" no its a fuckin corolla" but the car isnt build for fast going straight (and no im talkin bout slide'n)
ill show you the charts as soon as the beast lives.
oh and fuck formula d, why would i wanna be a formula lame anyways?


oh yah you're that guy.

what motor can you put in that car with 200 hp stock? how much money is in your motor right now, or how much woudl it cost average joe, or would you sell this guy parts for and how much power does it put to the ground.

[mikespeed95]

im not saying its super fast .. but its quick enuf to drift road race and have fun in taka aono's 20v is 200hp and it keeps up with your ls1? oh wait.. its higher in points than you are?? awwww

are you kidding me? i like taka but nobody likes the taka rule and waiting on him for tandem.

listen ur a ok dude mike but seriously one of the biggest e-hardass know it alls ive ever seen ..

its only because my penis is 2'' long.

think of it like this just beacause you have an opinion dont mean everyone else has to have it .. or even care about it..
now come on over and we can take care of the sandy vagina with the pressure washer <3

do you have orange scented soap ?

[lunchbox]

k20? s2k?




hahahahah wait for taka rule? wtf is that all about/..

and why yes i do have orange soap.. 3 kinds

[mikespeed95]

i dont think you can use k20, it spins the wrong way.

[lunchbox]

whats the s2000 motor code.. and the rsx motor is normal spinning i do belive..

[Ronald Mcdonald]

The s2000 motor is the f20, or the newer one, the f22.

[jonBODON]

oh yah you're that guy.

what motor can you put in that car with 200 hp stock? how much money is in your motor right now, or how much woudl it cost average joe, or would you sell this guy parts for and how much power does it put to the ground.

its sorta a hybrid 20v...nothing done to it after market wise.yet.and the average joe could do it easy..the motor in my car now is just a red top ..how much power to the ground? no idea.bill wanted to dyno it to see what its got..but i didnt do that... my motor gets it, thats all that matters..my future motor will get it even more...as for selling it, ill sell it for 800 buckaroos..600 minus trd headers.
and yes sir im that guy.

[jonBODON]

are you kidding me? i like taka but nobody likes the taka rule and waiting on him for tandem.


nobody likes waiting, to clean up the track after someone crash's..just saying ..

[jonBODON]

but i think we should get back on topic.....like what motor is goin in your 86...any more thought into it??

[Jordan T]

i think im getting a swap, just waiting to hear from ian.

[jonBODON]

dope.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

i think im getting a swap, just waiting to hear from ian.


What kind of swap?

[Ronald Mcdonald]

but i think we should get back on topic.....like what motor is goin in your 86...any more thought into it??


I'm starting to lean more towards the SR, but I'm not even close to the point that I absolutely NEED to make a decision.

[Jordan T]

hey ronnie, how much you is?

[Ronald Mcdonald]

hey ronnie, how much you is?


Hey, do ya'll smoke?

No, but the guys in that store right there, they do!