Old school vs. bling bling???

[Fast240Z]

I would like to hear from those of you, what you feel is the differance between the younger racers and those of us "old school" guys. Is it just an age thing? Is it a dom vs. rice thing?Why is it we seem to share nothing other than the fact we both like cars.

I personally don't under stand. It would seem to me that if we all liked doing the same thing (drag racing) there wouldn't be so much of a rife between the two. I am a real easy going guy and I try to get along with everyone. If someone walked up to me and asked for help I would do what I can. Hell, if someone walked up asking for a ride in my car I would problably go for a blast across the bridge with them.

The only two things I ask of those who I work with is to be nice to the patients and to not kill them. Not to much to ask? The only thing I ask of anyone else is to just be nice. If I race you, win or lose, I won't start to dislike you as long as we all play nice.

Let me hear what you think.

Mark

[JayLude]

I personally don't hate on new school or old school,just as long as you aren't taking you're dad's new vette Z06 to the bridge cuz ya moms n pops went outta town for the week and you stumbled across the keys,and you're acting all nose up.

I kinda like both new and old,I myself have a 92 lude and a 76 Nova,that I have fun in equally.

Keep it in good fun.New or Old.

[JDM S14]

I think that any car that is nice and respectable then ANY enthusiest should show respect for the car. I pesonally have a '97 240sx that is very respectable but I am a huge fan of classic muscle. The only thing that I hate is when I pull up to an american car and the 40 year old man starts to laugh at me and by the time I hit 70 he is just a speck in the rear view. I personally think the problem is that a lot of older guys stick to what they know and see that there is so much rice out there that when a nicer import comes along they refuse to respect. Because of this people stereotype people with domestics although people are people and there will always be a large number of jackasses.

I say a nice car is a nice car regardlesss.

[Fast240Z]

Originally posted by JDM S14
I think that any car that is nice and respectable then ANY enthusiest should show respect for the car. ...I say a nice car is a nice car regardlesss.

Very well put!

Mark

[BULLITT]

i dont hate any car that is quick, but the ones i hate are the stock 4cyl guys with the body kits and huge wings. they think they are fast and want to race anywhere no matter how much road is in front of them.

[Chris]

Personally I get along with almost everyone, as long as they're decent people. I'm turning 30 in a couple months so it's safe to say that I'm no spring chicken. There are plenty of old school and import guys that I would rather knock on their ass then have kind words with, it's life. It has nothing to do with "old school" or "new school". There will always be differing opinions, and groups within groups that don't agree.

Hell, when I was a kid, I remember spending my money on cheap seat covers, cheap pyramid stereo gear, license plate frames, etc... for my truck, cause it was all I could afford to do on my own... Then one day I got to the point where I could afford to start buying performance parts - so I did the cold air intake, etc... (yes, on a toyota 4x4 truck!). I think it was a natural progression. Now I own an 02 LS1 (driver) and a 91 stang (project car). I've owned 3 other mustangs in the past, 2 other f-bodies, 3 other trucks (2 toyota 4x4's with the 22r 4 cylinder, lol).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that no matter what the 16 year old thinks is cool now, one day he'll probably realize there are better ways to spend his money than a 12" tall SRT spoiler on his stock wheezing neon, and hopefully in a few years his priorites will change. I look at most of the ricer kids out there as just that - kids. And I'll give them a chance if they don't act like punks. Are there a few that are beyond hope? Of course, but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt first. Likewise there are plenty of A-hole "old schoolers" that wouldn't give a kid with a 9 second crx (exxagerating here) a chance just because it's not what he's used to.

It's all about tolerance and accepting others... (steps off soapbox)

[Strokd85]

*golf clap for CopMagnetLS1*
I'll treat those as I am treated. If you're a snot nosed punk who thinks they're car (whatever it may be) is the greatest/fastest thing in the world.. He/she will be directly put in their place...
If you come up and act respectable, i'll provide the same in the opposite direction....

[Bald Guy]

I only see 2 groups of "racers", Enthusiasts and retards.

[Billy]

Originally posted by slobra281
I only see 2 groups of "racers", Enthusiasts and retards. I've got to agree with Jomar on that one.

I've been running around to the races since I was a freshman in highschool. I'd go out with a group of guys that had a few Chevys between them, one a '70 Nova that was fairly quick. We always had fun going out and "talking up" races and setting rules and figuring out how much money was going to be on the line. I took a break from it all when I felt it wasn't fun anymore. The cops were starting to crack down more because of stupid people that were coming out and causeing problems. Now when I go out it's with a bunch of Fords and Chevys and I fit right in with my Subaru.

I don't care what a person drives or even if it is super fast, if they are an asshole, then that is how I think of them. I think people just need to get the chips off their shoulders about "import v. domestic" or "new school v. old school" or whatever it is people find to bitch about. Just go out and enjoy yourself.

[flounder]

I agree with most of what has been said. I would just like to add that I think a majority of the guys who hate imports are big dumb rednecks :mullet: , no ands, ifs, or buts about it. LOL Funny how people spend so much energy hating people who drive Hondas for no other reason then the brand of car they own. You see the hateful remarks in their sigs, pics, and screen names and writing.

If I owned a fast V8 etc... and I new it it was fast, I wouldn't waste my time and energy hating everything else and trying to feel like a big man by picking races with slower cars, I'd let them come after me. It's like me going out in my Civic and picking races and talking shit to people with Cavilers, Focus, Escorts etc... Total waste of time.

[Scott]

Agree with what Flounder and the other have said.

I am one of the biggest :mullet: on here but I do not hate on the import guys. Note I said import guys, ricers get picked on by their own brands let alone domestic owners.

On the other hand a lot of the import guys hate on the domestic owners for the same reasons Flounder listed just in reverse.

But the title of this thread is old vs. new and my answer to that would be the new trend is targeting towards show and not go unlike the old school cars. Most were ugly as sin but hauled ass.

[flyinbrian]

Originally posted by FordMan
the new trend is targeting towards show and not go unlike the old school cars. Most were ugly as sin but hauled ass.
HEY!
I resemble that remark!

I laugh at the cars with giant wings, body kits, etc... but unnoticed, I quietly laugh to myself.
I know that the kid behind the wheel is proud of the time, money, and effort they put into their car. Be it a Neon, Civic, Sentra, or whatever.
Same goes for ANY front wheel drive car at the dragstrip. It's not my bag. In fact, I think...no, I know they're fighting a losing battle. The car is limited, (weight x-fer, halfshafts, TRACTION!, driveability), and always will be. I know there are single digit front wheel drivers out there, but they are essentially six-wheeled vehicles.
Regardless, I respect their effort and I would lend them a hand anytime.

We were all kids at one time. I can remember my Dad shaking his head at me when I would have money burning a hole in my pocket so bad that I just had to put a bigger stereo in my car...or buy the latest greatest trendiest whatever that just came out that week.

Rice is a fad. It will pass, but there will be something to take it's place.
It's like vanning in the late 70's-early 80's.
Or pro-street in the 80's-90's.
Or pro touring in the late 90's to now.

People altering their means of transportation in order to stand out, go faster, impress girls, one up the next guy, etc. wll never end.

Those old schoolers that cannot face it need to grow up.

[JDM S14]

But the title of this thread is old vs. new and my answer to that would be the new trend is targeting towards show and not go unlike the old school cars. Most were ugly as sin but hauled ass.

I don't think that is very true. Sure they could be made fast as hell but the majority of newer cars are faster stock than their parents and grandparents. I was actually reading about this the other day and a lot of stock muscle cars were running like high 15's to low 17's in the quarter. Don't get me wrong they all had much greater potential but I think stock for stock the newbies are holding it down.

[Scott]

Originally posted by JDM S14
I don't think that is very true. Sure they could be made fast as hell but the majority of newer cars are faster stock than their parents and grandparents. I was actually reading about this the other day and a lot of stock muscle cars were running like high 15's to low 17's in the quarter. Don't get me wrong they all had much greater potential but I think stock for stock the newbies are holding it down.


The E.T.'s you mention is because they has hard as rocks bias-ply tires.

Look at the Ford Falcon Thunderbolt for example. Ran mid 14's on shit factory tires and mid 11's on slicks ! :o :lol: Don't see to many cars like this these days. And there are tons of others that fit this category.

I agree the average speed of all cars are greatly improved over the old ones but there will never be any replacement for displacement no matter how many blowers, turbos, etc. you hang off the newer cars.

[Jordan Y.]

Originally posted by FordMan
I agree the average speed of all cars are greatly improved over the old ones but there will never be any replacement for displacement no matter how many blowers, turbos, etc. you hang off the newer cars.
Very true, no matter how vociferously the 2.0 turbo guys argue otherwise. That's why it's great to see cars like the 03 Cobra, a car that combines some of the newer technology with muscle-car displacement. Now if only they had sent it out of the factory with a single turbo or at least a twin turbo setup instead of that blower... :nerd:


As far as old school/new school, domestic/import goes, I can't really take a side. The only reason I'm driving a semi-import right now is because I liked the awd drivetrain and more importantly the turbocharged engine, for cheap. If I'd had more money flow, I might be driving a twin turbo 5.0 fox body mustang instead. I get the same satisfaction from watching a drift video with a built hachi-roku wringing it's engine out to 9000 rpm as I do watching a vid like that street racing vid with the 427 Camaro flexing on a choice road in pensacola. (Though the v8's will always have the advantage when it comes to sounding bad-ass).

[351coupe]

I don't mind imports,especally the fast ones.What I hate is the fucking rice,when I'm calmly doing 55 over the bridge and 4 or 5 stock ass VW's and Honda's come flying past me in the emergency lane.Thats the dumb fucks I can't stand,so in my eyes it's not new/old it's responsible driving/dumb ass kids who don't think.Damn,I sound like a father...P.s they do sound pretty bad ass

[type-j-spec]

i think the import vs domestic is a good thing.....as in the way of COMPETITION.....just like the lakers vs the celtics when it was larry and bird,or florida vs florida st,jets vs dolphins,muhamed ali vs frasier.....etc etc.....its competitive spirit......i think some people take it too too serious......but like i read earlier if a guy ina stang or chevy or whatever was to pull up an laugh at me,whats the difference in that an you playing your buddy at home ina video game an yall talking smak........ya race,ya win yu talk smak,ya lose you say untill next time,then ya go home......

[type-j-spec]

its early but i meant MAGIC & BIRD

[Fast240Z]

Wow, lots of great views.

I can remember hanging out at the marina parking lot on the Tampa side of the bridge back around 1987. The good old days when people had to wait to race on the bridge and all of the races were for at least $20. The lot was as full as any lot is now.

The lot was full of many 'clicks' Ford guys, Chevy guys etc. There was also those out there who were just out to watch and hang. Also you always had those hard core street racers out who looked like they just finished installing there motor. It was never boring and the cops were just as harasing as they are now.

Times change but the type of people who attend the late night events at and around the bridge are the same. you have those out to race, those out to hang with thier friends and those who are just out to be stupid and make trouble. Times have changed and so have the cars. If your car is fast it doesn't matter what the name plate says. All that matters is what the time slip says.

I build old school v-8's because that is what I know how to make fast. If you like fuel injection or turbos that's your biz. I guess there will always be something to differenentiate groups from one another and there will always be jerkoffs who cause most of the trouble.

Mark

[qitstrn]

Cant we all be friends,I know you have a bigger motor.

[JDM S14]

Very true, no matter how vociferously the 2.0 turbo guys argue otherwise.

I personally own a 2.0 turbo and I will argue that a 4cyl turbo is about equivalent to a V8 but I will also argue that a V8 with a power adder, if built right, is one of the finer things in life and I don't think that there is anything that will ever change that. Displacement and wieght are the two factors you look at to make a car fast, and if you don't have the displacement like me you must find something to make up for that, but when you already have a big motor and then boost or juice it is just plain nasty. I really can't stand the import guys that loose to a mustang and then try saying things like "unplug 4 of your spark plugs then lets race"..... that is nothing other than stupidity. Like I said before all cars are different and if a car is respectable then thats what it is straight up.

[type-j-spec]

unplug 4 of your spark plugs?wow first time i heard that...an whoever said that should be shot.....if you cant match v8 power straight up then dont race em.....

[quick-aod]

need I say more?

[BULLITT]

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[qitstrn]

Originally posted by quick-aod
need I say more? Lets see who is making excuses tommorow;)

[quick-aod]

I didnt know about the race until the other day so I wont be going but name the time and place,and bring a Ben Franklin if you feel like it.

[accord95]

Originally posted by Fast240Z
Why is it we seem to share nothing other than the fact we both like cars.

i think the difference is that alot of things have changed since the old days. we have new cars, with more complicated engines, new ways to hook them up and new styles. things just change with time. the same reason people wear different clothes now then they did back in the day. i have respect for all cars and all car freaks, old and young. but i was raised by old school parents. my dad was into cars and got me into cars. i just took a different route because i wanted a new car and the thought of putting a whoopin on a v8 with 4 less cylinders intriged me. and it was the car of choice for my generation. im a little older than most import owners (26).

but if they didnt have imports i would definately own a fast domestic. and i will again when i get older. hell, my first car was a 83 firebird. i just like to go fast, it doesnt matter what type of car it is as long as it satisfies my addiction and looks half way decent.

[97blkz]

corey what v8 have you whooped?? bustin ya balls!!!

[accord95]

Originally posted by 97blkz
corey what v8 have you whooped?? bustin ya balls!!!

:lol: i know andy, but its gonna be your V8 soon. hey now, my 155hp accord takes V8 trucks out every day!:lol:

[Jewbu]

Originally posted by 97blkz
corey what v8 have you whooped?? bustin ya balls!!!

he said he could spank you andy.even with the nos.

[Zman]

HEY 240z You said 1987 well I'm so old I remember being out there in 1976, same thing, but back then it was also Tampa against St. Pete against Clearwater against Southside and then you mix in Ford vs Chevy vs Mopar it was a wonder anybody talked at all lol. Andel

[accord95]

Originally posted by jesgsr
he said he could spank you andy.even with the nos.

you're ghey

[Jewbu]

Originally posted by accord95
you're ghey

if i am gay will you blow me? thanks corey

[Fast240Z]

Originally posted by Zman
HEY 240z You said 1987 well I'm so old I remember being out there in 1976, same thing, but back then it was also Tampa against St. Pete against Clearwater against Southside and then you mix in Ford vs Chevy vs Mopar it was a wonder anybody talked at all lol. Andel

I was talking to Floyd and Monza Scott and they said hi. Still have the Camero?

Mark

[ThenextEdison]

Any car is good as long as it's not all rusty and puffing out deadly smoke. A well maintence car is good, doesnt matter old or new in my book. I only hate people that are arrogant and @$$es and brag alot, I can't stand that...hope those people get their cars taken away for all that trash talking some day! :D

[Fast240Z]

Originally posted by FordMan
I agree the average speed of all cars are greatly improved over the old ones but there will never be any replacement for displacement no matter how many blowers, turbos, etc. you hang off the newer cars.

Scott,

Sure the old cars are fun and big motors are great, but there is a point when it is nice to have something fast and quite. The first time I realized how nice newer cars can be was sitting in a new ZR1 Corvette. I think that's the right one, 32 valve? Fast and reliable, quite and smooth. That car was faster than what I had at the time and it pured like a kitten not like the 240Z now.

It makes me think about how nice it would be to have fuel injection and a turbo on the Z. Crazy fast and reliable, what a combo?

Mark

[Jordan Y.]

Originally posted by Fast240Z
Scott,

Sure the old cars are fun and big motors are great, but there is a point when it is nice to have something fast and quite. The first time I realized how nice newer cars can be was sitting in a new ZR1 Corvette. I think that's the right one, 32 valve? Fast and reliable, quite and smooth. That car was faster than what I had at the time and it pured like a kitten not like the 240Z now.

It makes me think about how nice it would be to have fuel injection and a turbo on the Z. Crazy fast and reliable, what a combo?

Mark
Consdering a turbo setup, now? Crazy. :lol:

[Fast240Z]

Originally posted by Jordan Y.
Consdering a turbo setup, now? Crazy. :lol:

Yea, but first I have to start by changing over to fuel injection. After I figure out FI I will start to change over to a turbo setup. I hope forced induction will push the car much faster than I can make it go with just nitrous. We are talking about a year from now for all this. Going fast takes time and money. I have time but I am running low on money.

Mark

[quick-aod]

Mark,if you need help with the turbo stuff let me know.I know the right people to help you out.Its not all that hard its just the money.