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Old Feb 2, 2011 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 97Camaro

1)The 'Federal' Reserve: 100% of the Federal Reserves shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government.
If PRIVATE BANKS own all of the shares to the F.R., and NO shares are held by the government, that means it's PRIVATELY OWNED.
Ok...obviously I am not going to spend a ton of time on your reply because it doesnt warrant a serious reply. But I will just start right at the top and address the very first one.

What you state above is mostly true. Some of the details are skewed...but lets just assume its accurate for the most part. Now the problem with your post is that you state this information as if you have just uncovered some grand scheme that has been suppressed all these years? Did you recently discover how the Fed works? You realize that the Fed has been in existance...known to all...since 1913? Just because you recently found out it was a joint effort between the govt and private banks dooesnt mean the rest of us should be in panic.

In addition...shares of the Federal Reserve are apportioned by law and do not operate like stock in typical companies.

The Federal Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Federal Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Federal Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the system. The stock may not be sold or traded or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, limited to 6 percent per year.

The dividends paid to member banks are considered partial compensation for the lack of interest paid on member banks' required reserves held at the Federal Reserve. By law, banks in the United States must maintain fractional reserves, most of which are kept on account at the Federal Reserve. Historically, the Federal Reserve did not pay interest on these funds. The Federal Reserve now has authority to pay interest on these funds granted by Congress in the EESA of 2008
So I am not sure what your point when you simply state the structure of the Fed when this arrangement is no secret. Now if you dont agree with the Fed...and lay out reasons WHY this arrangement is dangerous or unethical...then I will listen and discuss the pros and cons of a Federal Reserve system as a central bank. But if you do that...I would also expect you to state an arrangement that would be a better option. Make the central bank under FULL govt control? I think not. Let businesses/banks COMPLETELY run our central bank...I think not. The Fed was designed just as out govt is run...to have checks and balances. The Fed, Congress, treasury dept and others all have a hand in the way our central bank operates. No one entity..wether it be Govt...or big banking can have a lock on making monetary policy. IMO the Fed...while a bit cumbersome in places...seems to actually function well most of the time.


Lets just go into one more statements you made

You think the dollar is worth anything? Ever heard of inflation?
Again...I am not sure if you think you are making some new revalation here? A dollars worth is a function of many factors. A certain level of inflation is also built into the system of capitalism with regards to expansion. But there is nothing necessarily sinister about this. The fact that the purchasing power of a dollar has dropped 27% (taking your stat at face value) has what meaning exactly? That some sinister evil hand is keeping you down? Or could it be more of a function of the rise of of the level of competition from places like China, Japan, India. Your logic in the process seems to be simple "dollar value has dropped 27% since 1998...therefore evil government". Unfortunately its a bit more complex than that.

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Fiat currency in America is called bullshit no matter what you call it.
Our income tax IS the backing for the printed currency we call 'dollars' or Federal Reserve Notes.
Obviously this is a reply to me.. correcting you on your earlier erroneous statement that gold backed up our currency...which you now admit was wrong. Well...you are wrong again....our fiat currency is NOT backed up by income taxes. Our fiat currency is backed by the goods and services offered by the citizens of America. If the US had little in the way of goods and services needed and wanted by people inside and outside our borders....our fiat currency would be better off still being backed by a gold standard. If you were a country like Zimbabwe...that had NOTHING to offer the world ..you would be better off having a gold reserve. Unfortunately Zimbabwe has nothing to back its currency and no services or goods of value either. That is why they were so susceptable to hyper inflation. As long as America has "things" to offer that are desirable, wanted, and needed...then the dollars fiat value is secured. That is also why the fiat value of the dollar has dropped since 1998...other countries now have "things" to offer that are desirable, wanted and needed. The strength of a nations fiat currency in many ways is a direct measurement of the fitness of this parameter. And again...the fluctuations in this parameter is affected by many factors that simply are beyond the control of "the illuminati" simply to keep YOU down.

I am not going to address each of your entries... but suffice it to say IMO...the rest are just as far off the mark and seem to be VERY irrational.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 05:22 AM
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His point about marijuana is entirely true , but thats not the topic at hand.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 08:19 AM
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A little off topic but some good insight on aspects of what runs the "global economy" ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Fzm1hEiDQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0JCJ4pIFEw&feature=related "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" author John Perkins argues that the United states has created a modern-day empire through the use of economic blackmail and the undermining of foreign governments.

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"The Secret History of the American Empire" with John Perkins, author of "Confessions of An Economic Hit Man."

Perkins zeroes in on hot spots around the world such as Venezuela, Tibet, Iraq, Israel, Vietnam and others and exposes the network of events in each of these countries that have contributed to the creation of the American Empire and international corruption in "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth About Global Corruption" - Cody's Books

John Perkins spent three decades as an Economic Hit Man, business executive, author, and lecturer. He lived and worked in Africa, Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, and North America. Then he made a decision: he would use these experiences to make the planet a better place for his daughter's generation. Today he teaches about the importance of rising to higher levels of consciousness, to waking up - in both spiritual and physical realms - and is a champion for environmental and social causes. He has lectured at universities on four continents, including Harvard, Wharton, and Princeton.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by K20A2
His point about marijuana is entirely true , but thats not the topic at hand.
Ill damn near give him that one. I am no fan of the laws regarding marijuana. But again his presentation seems a bit skewed in regards to "the man" keeping him down.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 11:17 AM
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You have no clue what you're talking about...really. You plainly just do not grasp these concepts.
You're replies are evidence enough you just have no clue, I'd rather you click reply and slam your forehead on random sections of the keyboard then hit submit reply.
Your replies are filled with you're skew opinions on what you feel to be correct, and not based on evidence. The reason i post so much information is because this shit is legit and a real problem most people don't even know about...my point for posting in the first place.
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Ok...obviously I am not going to spend a ton of time on your reply because it doesnt warrant a serious reply. But I will just start right at the top and address the very first one.

What you state above is mostly true. Some of the details are skewed...but lets just assume its accurate for the most part. Now the problem with your post is that you state this information as if you have just uncovered some grand scheme that has been suppressed all these years? Did you recently discover how the Fed works? You realize that the Fed has been in existence...known to all...since 1913? Just because you recently found out it was a joint effort between the govt and private banks doesn't mean the rest of us should be in panic.
This is an opinion and states no facts in regards as to how or why i am wrong, only that you feel i am wrong, and give childish reasons. Starting off strong...

In addition...shares of the Federal Reserve are apportioned by law and do not operate like stock in typical companies.
LOL. Apportioned by law? Who's law? The government that's allowing them to do it? The stocks are owned by privately owned banks, and only have stocks available to the very banks that fund them and hold their shares. You got one thing right...no they don't operate like stock in typical companies. Had you read anything i said or posted you'd know why the rest of what you said isn't even close. I'm not going to explain this again because you seem to retain very little even if you skim read.



So I am not sure what your point when you simply state the structure of the Fed when this arrangement is no secret. Now if you dont agree with the Fed...and lay out reasons WHY this arrangement is dangerous or unethical...then I will listen and discuss the pros and cons of a Federal Reserve system as a central bank. But if you do that...I would also expect you to state an arrangement that would be a better option. Make the central bank under FULL govt control? I think not. Let businesses/banks COMPLETELY run our central bank...I think not. The Fed was designed just as out govt is run...to have checks and balances. The Fed, Congress, treasury dept and others all have a hand in the way our central bank operates. No one entity..wether it be Govt...or big banking can have a lock on making monetary policy. IMO the Fed...while a bit cumbersome in places...seems to actually function well most of the time.

lol...you just told me that unless i discuss this subject under parameters that YOU are comfortable with and that you believe to be true, only then will you have a rational conversation with me?
Also, again you trail off and fail to supply any evidence as to why i am wrong and simply try to explain how I'm not talking about how to fix this stuff, which is an entirely different subject and is not the topic which we were discussing.


Lets just go into one more statements you made



Again...I am not sure if you think you are making some new revalation here? A dollars worth is a function of many factors. A certain level of inflation is also built into the system of capitalism with regards to expansion. But there is nothing necessarily sinister about this. The fact that the purchasing power of a dollar has dropped 27% (taking your stat at face value) has what meaning exactly? That some sinister evil hand is keeping you down? Or could it be more of a function of the rise of of the level of competition from places like China, Japan, India. Your logic in the process seems to be simple "dollar value has dropped 27% since 1998...therefore evil government". Unfortunately its a bit more complex than that.

Again...no facts given what so ever, just more opinions and assumptions, the worst one of all being you think I'm taking an evil government/i hate government approach to this, which is completely wrong. and just another avenue for you to trail off on instead of responding with any sort of real argument.

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Obviously this is a reply to me.. correcting you on your earlier erroneous statement that gold backed up our currency...which you now admit was wrong. Well...you are wrong again....our fiat currency is NOT backed up by income taxes. Our fiat currency is backed by the goods and services offered by the citizens of America. If the US had little in the way of goods and services needed and wanted by people inside and outside our borders....our fiat currency would be better off still being backed by a gold standard. If you were a country like Zimbabwe...that had NOTHING to offer the world ..you would be better off having a gold reserve. Unfortunately Zimbabwe has nothing to back its currency and no services or goods of value either. That is why they were so susceptable to hyper inflation. As long as America has "things" to offer that are desirable, wanted, and needed...then the dollars fiat value is secured. That is also why the fiat value of the dollar has dropped since 1998...other countries now have "things" to offer that are desirable, wanted and needed. The strength of a nations fiat currency in many ways is a direct measurement of the fitness of this parameter. And again...the fluctuations in this parameter is affected by many factors that simply are beyond the control of "the illuminati" simply to keep YOU down.

I don't even know where you're going with this. At best you're trying to explain to me what the government SHOULD be doing....and no shit buddy...they should be doing a lot, but they're not, which is what this topic was about...them NOT doing the right thing.
Essentially, I'm telling you how jacked up some things are that our government does, and how legitimate those accusations are...and you're ignoring everything i say, not researching shit...and trying to explain to me how it's suppose to work.
...lol NO SHIT! I would kinda have to know that to come to the decision that they're doing something different and wrong.


I am not going to address each of your entries... but suffice it to say IMO...the rest are just as far off the mark and seem to be VERY irrational.
Well, i would say 'IMO' but judging from your posts it's pretty obvious you're one cut above shitting and pissing on your self, and have no clue what you're talking about. You barely even grasp the original topic (if you can manage to stay on it).
When you pull your head out of your ass and want to quit pretending you know wtf you're talking about - feel free to actually research these things - do a little more than glance at a website for 2 seconds and pretend to even have a clue.

Congratulations, you've managed to avoid providing any facts, or relative arguments to anything I've said and replaced them with ridiculous opinions.
Sleep well tonight, you've accomplished a lot.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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so can contrails come and go as a plane is flying, also do they disapate or linger and spread out?
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 06:44 PM
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All of the above. Here is something i wrote on another site:

Dont forget...wether or not a contrail will or will not be made is strictly dependant on a few factors. One of the most important factors is temperature. When you are standing on th eground in 40 degree weather...and you look up at the vast sky...you basically assume that the temperature is a uniform 40 dgrees EVERYWHERE you look. But that is far from the case. Temps and pressures are VERY fluid. Havent you even been outside only to notice a breeze roll in and the temp drop 5 degrees in a several minutes? The sky is NOT a uniform mass of temperature and pressure. it varies greatly even in the areas visible to you. Many times when you are looking at a contrail forming in real time...the aircraft and contrail are 50-75-100-200+ miles away and traveling a mile every 8-10 seconds or so. So if you see an airplane in the distance that has a consistant contrail...and then for 20-30 seconds does not have a contrail...and then for 20-30 seconds does again....all you need is for the temps, or humidity to change in those few mile stretches by a VERY SMALL margin for this to happen. 1 degree of temp is enough. Its basically the same as dew point.

Have you ever gone outside early in the morning to see dew on grass....but not on trees. Or maybe dew on the roof of your car but no where else? Those are the same principle. Slight variations in temps and humidity cause different effects in different areas of close proximity. It is actually to be expected.

So contrails turning "off" or "on" is really just the aircraft flying through non uniform patches of temperature and humidity. No biggie really.

Same goes for two aircraft that appear to be in close proximity....one with contrail and one without. They could easily be 1000 feet apart in altitude and you would barely be able to tell. I can tell you that in my 6 years in the Marines on helos I got pretty good at calling out enemy aircraft distances and altitudes. But I would never say that I could determine position at 20 miles within 1000 feet. And 1000 feet is PLENTY of distance to be in contrail weather or be out. Heck..a difference of 3-4 feet is all thats needed for dew on the lawn/car example.


Here is something that may surprise you. Next time it gets cold...like tonight or tommorrow night...and if you have a good laser thermometer....take it outside at night when its cold and temp is really dropping and take measurements of various things at various heights off the ground. Car included. Measure tires, bumper hood and roof. Measure grass vs trees/leaves. You will be very very surprised to see what is cold and what is not as cold and how much the variance is. I did this during the last cold snap to check potential plant damage. Its amazing that the grass may be 32....but just a few feet away things may dip to 25. And then at 10 feet temps could be 40. Its all over the map. Granted...as temps are changing...that rate of change of the ambient air is affected by things with mass such as...THE GROUND...lol. Or a car or a large tree...but its just goes to show you that temps are rarely uniform.....even though when we say its 40 dgrees outside...we tend to think everything is 40 degrees.

Ever notice plant damage from freezing temps rarely seems uniform? One plant dies while one (of the same species) in a different location survives just fine. Its typically because the temps were actually different for the two plants..even though they may have been yards apart or had a different altitude of 5 or 6 feet.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 97Camaro

You have no clue what you're talking about...really. You plainly just do not grasp these concepts.
You're replies are evidence enough you just have no clue, I'd rather you click reply and slam your forehead on random sections of the keyboard then hit submit reply.
Your replies are filled with you're skew opinions on what you feel to be correct, and not based on evidence. The reason i post so much information is because this shit is legit and a real problem most people don't even know about...my point for posting in the first place.
Anyway, ignorance will be highlighted in bold:



Well, i would say 'IMO' but judging from your posts it's pretty obvious you're one cut above shitting and pissing on your self, and have no clue what you're talking about. You barely even grasp the original topic (if you can manage to stay on it).
When you pull your head out of your ass and want to quit pretending you know wtf you're talking about - feel free to actually research these things - do a little more than glance at a website for 2 seconds and pretend to even have a clue.

Congratulations, you've managed to avoid providing any facts, or relative arguments to anything I've said and replaced them with ridiculous opinions.
Sleep well tonight, you've accomplished a lot.
I dont reply here to try to change your mind. You are too far gone. I reply in hopes that some impressionable youngster that doesnt have much experience in life may simply get an alternative view other than the brain rotting youtube CT psychosis. You clearly WANT to believe in these things and make them as sinister as possible...when reality is so much different.

As far as posting facts....it is my posts that have revealed at least 2 hard and fast statements you have made that were just plain wrong.

1) currency is backed by gold
2) you then changed that to- currency is backed by taxes

Both are 100% wrong...and both of those statement were made by you as 100% fact. I am afraid it is you who doesnt know much...but pretend to.

As to who is about to "shit and piss" on themselves...I would take a good look in the mirror. I am not the one who thinks "the system" is out to get them and keep you down. The world is a complex place...and complex things happen. Rarely can you boil things down to "the govt" or "them". I have experienced the world as it really is. 6 years in the Marine Aviation in various places all over the world doing all manner of thing...some "secret" some even "top secret"...followed by nearly 20 years in aviation. It appears you are simply a youtube worrier. Good luck convincing the world to battle against lines in the sky.....you will be doing it the rest of your life and making no headway.
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