Okay B20.eg, here is my take on your claims...

Regardless, you have to admit, Hondas are not the best platform for making power. One, they are FWD and two, they are torqueless, in a sense, compared to what a 2.0L or 2.4L Nissan engine can produce. The 240SX is a better platform. It has RWD, which is far better at coping with high horsepower levels do to the weight transfer and squat to the rear wheels, enhancing traction, whereas; your Honda does the same thing, pulling the weight transfer and squat off of the front wheels, equaling no traction.

240SXs are not as porky as some of you believe. With full interior, and the iron-cast KA24DE engine, the car weighs around 2600lbs. for an S13, and 2700lbs. for an S14. They are even lighter if swapped with the ever so popular SR20DET. From what I see, factory Integras weigh in around the same.

Then we come to displacement. Hondas provide 1.6L and 1.8L factory bores for most Civic, CRX, and Integra powerplants. While these motors can pull out impressive numbers, the torque is usually lacking. I have seen 450whp Hondas dyno at around 300wtq. Sure cams, bores, CRV blocks, can offset this some, be we are discussing base motor setups. The 240SX powerplant can be swapped with a 1.8L (CA18DET), which is rarely swapped, and the 2.0L SR20DET, or the factory KA24DE can be kept and turboed. Disregarding the 1.8L Honda wannabe CA18DET, the SR20DET and the KA24DE are far far better engines to make power on. The reason is torque. These motors usually put out matching horsepower and torque numbers. I have seen 450whp/300wtq Hondas getting beat by 375whp/350wtq Nissans. This is because it's the torque that gets the car moving and off the line. It's what you feel in the driver seat when you mash the pedal. And at the end of the day you have a RWD platform to put the power down on. That means you can fit large tires and have excellent and superior traction to that of a Honda. Gearing is also a factor to consider, since most Honda gears are very short and designed for all-motor and autoX application. This only enhances a Hondas traction problems once a substantial amount of power is added. A factory 240SX gearing, for all motors, is longer than even a B18B, LS Integra, gearing. On top of the changing gearing, or the final drive, is as simple as changing out the rear differential, never having to touch the transmission. 240SX are just as easy to work on as Hondas, and the parts are cheap as well. RWD cars are also more fun and versatile cars to drive.

So, to conclude, I know that your bickering is about Nissans vs. Hondas, and I know you spoke up solely because of a defeat on your side of the fence. You need to open your eyes and understand the Hondas are not the pioneer 4 cylinder platforms anymore. There are a wide variety of cars that are just as good or better than the Hondas, when modded. I understand there is always someone faster, and there are always nicely done, clean turbo setups on Nissans and Hondas. Put my whole point is that when making a great deal of power, a RWD platform will always produce better results on the street and on the track. Thank you for your time, you may be seated.

 

^^you rambled about nothing new and wasted alot of time writing that. STRIKE#1)these were not races from digs so your rwd theory has absolutley no relevence. STRIKE#2) Nobody is playing the "honda is better than..." card here. BUT since i have been accused, i might as well --> STRIKE#3)the honda motor isn't superior to your beloved ka24??? show me the nissan motor making 100hp per litre and you win. THATS 3 STRIKES, YOU'RE OUT. I'm not saying Nissans are ghey or the best, all i'm saying is that there is NO WAY THAT TEG HAD 500+, STILL WAITING ON THE DYNO SHEET!

 

STRIKE #1) Regardless from a roll or a dig, the RWD is going to have more traction. The laws of physics don't stop applying because you're going from a roll.

STRIKE #2) You obviously taking some siding or else you wouldn't go through such great lengths to disprove a car in a video.

STRIKE #3) That's great that a Honda motor is making 100hp or more per litre, but it's still making 240hp (referring to the S2000, K20, etc.). Are we talking about hp/litre here or what setup will carry a car down the track the fastest? So because a 5.7L LS1 V8 doesn't make 100hp per litre, that means it is far inferior to a K20? I think your logic is distorted.

Here's your seat...you can sit back down now.

 

seriously, somebody lock this thread before its starts getting personal bewtween these folks.

superluminal, you just confirmed the fact that hondas do not put their power down well.

something that has been stated in this thread, and the reason why that integra was not making anywhere close to 500hp

a 350whp will still have traction problems, much less a 500hp one

you guys arguments are pretty much irrelevent because nobody knows any of the specs on both of the cars.

even the OP doesnt not know the specs on the integra.


just because we say it has 500hp does not mean it has 500hp.


from a roll, a car that has 100 more hp and is the same weight vicinity should always pull highend,

that is a gsr iirc, he has VTAC, he should been in his pwoer band longer

 

imitation is the finest form of envy
i didnt' say the honda motor was the fastest motor, i said its more advanced in technology than any other 4 cylinder out there by making 100 hp per liter because you said it's not the best 4 cyl platform anymore (like the ka24 was??? ). Point being: no way that Teg is 500+. you have yet to prove me wrong. YOU HAVE NO CASE, YOU'RE DISMISSED BTW Superluminal: no hard feelings, please dont think i have anything against you(you come with information, it may be wrong, but its still information ) this is just internet banter. So don't close this thread untill i see the real numbers on this poor little teg.-side note:i do however dislike Phucktec.

 

 

this just prove my point that even at 400whp he still didn't spin tires or "bounce" off the rev limiter as you guys all SWEAR on your lives the car should.

next, the only reason why the video u posted "out does the integra" in the one i posted is because of the incar footage. they go thourgh the gears if not almost identical.

simple fact is that the teg in the video i posted is somewhere in the 5xx range with full interior, system, heated seats, and a bunch of other shit. obviously it is heavier. the guy has long interuptions between the shifts in the integra. the race is valid, the numbers are valid.

what amazes me the most is that everyone on here swears that u have to burn rubber or bounce off the rev limiter at 400whp and that a number of you here with 3xxhp apaprently spin through tires, therefore in your minds anything else with more HAS to.

thanks for posting the video of the 403 whp integra that didn't spin through the gears to prove my point

 

its called boost by gear ....

 

Jonas, your hardheaded and cant accept the truth.

My work is done here.

 

nice car must stick pretty good what kind of tires