03' F-250 PSD - Sputtering and Loss of Power
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03' F-250 PSD - Sputtering and Loss of Power
Last week I had an issue of coolant loss (actually.... I had the issue for a while, it just started causing drivability issues last week while towing 6K lbs).
All signs pointed to the EGR and possibly the head gasket as well.
Took the truck into the shop and had ARP studs installed.
While the heads were off, we had them inspected, they looked good (no signs of cracks or warping).
While we were in there, I had the EGR delete done as well as the oil cooler replaced.
Got the truck back Thursday night, took it for a test ride and all seemed well.... then took off on a weekend road trip.
A couple hundred miles into it, the truck started acting up.
Sputtering and losing power.
I pulled over thinking there may be an issue with coolant loss again.
However, there were no signs of coolant loss (and as recent as today, there are still no visible signs of coolant loss).
I connected a trailer (6k lbs) to it for a portion of the trip, and it immediately fell flat on it's nose.
Sputtering, shaking and basically hemorrhaging to the point where I had to pull over and allow traffic to pull past.
I was able to gradually get the truck up to highway speed.
However, anytime I tried to accelerate it would have sputtering issues (almost like it was running out of fuel.... or the timing was off).
After setting for 24 hours, I tried to start it Sunday morning.
It did not want to start.... had me worried, didn't think I was going to get it running.
Sunday after noon I began the trip back without the trailer in tow.
It immediately went back to sputtering, then seemed to clear itself out.
I drove 600 miles without a hic-up... got to thinking maybe a had bad fuel.
However, after giving me a hard time to start this morning, it's right back to sputtering on acceleration (note: it even sputtered when coasting down-hill).
Taking it back to the shop today after work.... really at a loss.
Anyone got any ideas?
Could it be a FICM?
Could it be a bad injector?
Could it be the Turbo?
Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cecil
All signs pointed to the EGR and possibly the head gasket as well.
Took the truck into the shop and had ARP studs installed.
While the heads were off, we had them inspected, they looked good (no signs of cracks or warping).
While we were in there, I had the EGR delete done as well as the oil cooler replaced.
Got the truck back Thursday night, took it for a test ride and all seemed well.... then took off on a weekend road trip.
A couple hundred miles into it, the truck started acting up.
Sputtering and losing power.
I pulled over thinking there may be an issue with coolant loss again.
However, there were no signs of coolant loss (and as recent as today, there are still no visible signs of coolant loss).
I connected a trailer (6k lbs) to it for a portion of the trip, and it immediately fell flat on it's nose.
Sputtering, shaking and basically hemorrhaging to the point where I had to pull over and allow traffic to pull past.
I was able to gradually get the truck up to highway speed.
However, anytime I tried to accelerate it would have sputtering issues (almost like it was running out of fuel.... or the timing was off).
After setting for 24 hours, I tried to start it Sunday morning.
It did not want to start.... had me worried, didn't think I was going to get it running.
Sunday after noon I began the trip back without the trailer in tow.
It immediately went back to sputtering, then seemed to clear itself out.
I drove 600 miles without a hic-up... got to thinking maybe a had bad fuel.
However, after giving me a hard time to start this morning, it's right back to sputtering on acceleration (note: it even sputtered when coasting down-hill).
Taking it back to the shop today after work.... really at a loss.
Anyone got any ideas?
Could it be a FICM?
Could it be a bad injector?
Could it be the Turbo?
Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cecil
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Does it have a check engine light or have any trouble codes?
I found this page
http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/60bulletin.htm
has a few possibilities, like..
or
I found this page
http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/60bulletin.htm
has a few possibilities, like..
2003-05 Various Running Problems, Check Engine Light; New EBP Sensor:
Trucks built before 1-17-05 that exhibit buck/jerk, hesitation, lack of power, stalling, stumble, black smoke, surging, rolling idle, changes in engine sound at idle or when driving at a steady speed, or with the trouble codes P2263 or P0299, may have an exhaust backpressure sensor signal that is incorrect or erratic. A revised EBP sensor is available if this is found to be the case. Part number 4C3Z-9J460-A. Broadcast Message 3815.
Normal EBP signal reading should reflect atmospheric pressure with the key on/ engine off. Typically, this is 14.7 PSI/0.88-0.9 volts at sea level, decreasing one PSI/0.10 volt for every 2000 feet of elevation. It should be within 0.5 PSI of BARO and MAP sensor pressure signals.
Trucks built before 1-17-05 that exhibit buck/jerk, hesitation, lack of power, stalling, stumble, black smoke, surging, rolling idle, changes in engine sound at idle or when driving at a steady speed, or with the trouble codes P2263 or P0299, may have an exhaust backpressure sensor signal that is incorrect or erratic. A revised EBP sensor is available if this is found to be the case. Part number 4C3Z-9J460-A. Broadcast Message 3815.
Normal EBP signal reading should reflect atmospheric pressure with the key on/ engine off. Typically, this is 14.7 PSI/0.88-0.9 volts at sea level, decreasing one PSI/0.10 volt for every 2000 feet of elevation. It should be within 0.5 PSI of BARO and MAP sensor pressure signals.
99-06 F-SuperDuty Lack of Power/Low Fuel Pressure:
Some vehicles with steel fuel tanks may exhibit the above conditions due to the lining/sealer inside the fuel tank coming delaminated and plugging the pickup screen or fuel filter, or damaging the fuel pump. It is suspected that using gasolines or additives containing ethanol, methanol, ketones, or biodiesels higher than 5% is causing this to occur. Broadcast Message 5076.
I have seen this occur in an Econoline that filled from various fuel stations, so in this case fuel should not have been a cause.
Some vehicles with steel fuel tanks may exhibit the above conditions due to the lining/sealer inside the fuel tank coming delaminated and plugging the pickup screen or fuel filter, or damaging the fuel pump. It is suspected that using gasolines or additives containing ethanol, methanol, ketones, or biodiesels higher than 5% is causing this to occur. Broadcast Message 5076.
I have seen this occur in an Econoline that filled from various fuel stations, so in this case fuel should not have been a cause.
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Last edited by Clint; Feb 22, 2010 at 11:28 AM.
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Thanks Clint.... no "idiot lights" on the dash.... gonna take it back tonight so they can run a diagnostic on it.
Possible culprits found in today's research:
* improper torquing of head studs
* garbage in new oil cooler
* fuel filters improperly installed
* wiring harness not seated properly or crimped
* injector ring(s) not properly seated
I am confident they will figure it out... these things happen
Possible culprits found in today's research:
* improper torquing of head studs
* garbage in new oil cooler
* fuel filters improperly installed
* wiring harness not seated properly or crimped
* injector ring(s) not properly seated
I am confident they will figure it out... these things happen
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ATB the FICM took a dump and the FI wiring harness needed to be replaced.
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Sometimes not all the times you can fix the FICM. You can check it if you have a voltmeter, theres a lil cap on top with two screws. You will see either 4 or 7 bolts. You want to test the one closes to the fender, have someone crank it but not start it. It should read around 48 volts.
Was the truck warm when you had these problems? You can always plug the block heater on and after it warms up try to see if it fires up.
Was the truck warm when you had these problems? You can always plug the block heater on and after it warms up try to see if it fires up.
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how longago was the TWO fuel filters changed ? almost sounds like air getting into the fuel system . or leaky injector....leaking injectors can and will burn a hole in piston.
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