First off a 2j in a corolla is just stupid. Turn a awsome handling car into a chevelle. Yea. Good idea. Second off your comparing a 1.8 to a 1.6. Your not gonna make 400 hp out of a 1.8 and not be close wih the same mod list on the 1.6. And the 4a is alread in and ready. So thats less wasted money tring to make the 2zz rwd. And the 2zz has the better head, but the 4a has the better bottom end. You obbiously dont know what ur talking about when u tring to say the 4a isnt a good motor.

 

3tc no support? lol dog come on! anything you can get for the 4a you can get for the 3tc anything!

 

uh, last i checked the 3sgte is 2.0, not 1.8. and the 3-4 mods i mentioned would be to a 3rd gen 3sgte, not a 2zz. also, i never said the 4a isnt a good motor. but it is FAR from the best. as for "saving money" by using the 4a, that just shows that ae86 owners are of the broke ass mentality. wont spend money on true upgrades. the corrolla is an econobox beater. plain and simple. yes, they can be made to handle well, but so can pretty much anything if you put the time and effort into it. if your after just flat out handling, why dont you get a miata instead? or swap a 1j into a 1st gen rx7? or if your worried about engine weight, throw a 1uzfe into the corrolla. its 385lbs with ALL accesories bolted on and makes 250hp stock through the crappy exhaust on stock ecu. 300rwhp wouldnt be hard to make all motor from it. but again, youd have to spend some money on REAL upgrades, like a standalone.

 

I was talking about the 2zz. Try and focus... I never said anything bad about the 3s. The 3s is a good choice, but like in my previous post i said the beams 3s isnt cheap. The 4a is the best alternative. Tons of aftermarket compared to any other motor u mentioned. Your logic is flawed. Please try again. And saying the ae86 is an econbox is correct, but u obviously again have no idea what ur talking about. The ae86 is an outstanding handlIng car stock. So u must not be a real driver. Which is fine. Go drag race with everyone else. Your opinion on how to build a car might not work for everyone else. Your not a purist, thats fine. But not everyone cares about how much power they have under the hood. The 4a with a 1.8 stroker kit will make over 400 all day, hell ive seen a stock block gze make 500. Go figure..

 

And as far as being a fan boy, well ive had my ae86 since 98.... But again. I like pretty much everything toyota. So no matter which way u choose it will still be cool. As long as we can agree not to put a f20 or sr20 in it..

 

i have yet to EVER see a 4a make 400+ hp. gze block or not. dyno sheet and vid please! the toyota motor atlantic 4a's were only 240hp and was a fully built engine with ridiculously light engine components etc... most power ive seen from even a turbocharged 4a was ~290rwhp.

and as for "real" racing, beleive it or not, the suspension on my 84 is setup for corners, not drag racing. my 86 will be the same and i plan to actually autocross the 86. 6m with big cams, 10:1 compression and tripple 45mm side draft carbs should scream through a 6-1 header with 3in collector and exhaust. should make a fun car to compete in. might even take the 84 after the 2j swap is all done, though the nose will obviously be heavier due to all of the turbo components and longer engine etc...

 

rudo i cant stop laughing after reading that, these are paper racers that just belive the shit they read and do what everyone else is doing..........if 3tc is such a otdated motor with no suport no one here shold be scared to put it in the beams with me for some cash

 

i guess it is what it is dogg! looks like i need to really get my shit done and take some numbers! lol

 

look, the 3tc is the oldest of the bunch.. it is out dated, but i never once said anything bad about it... my first car was a 80 corolla coupe with a 3t and i beat that car to death, but yet it never died. like i said i like pretty much all toyota motor's. since everyone's on the deffensive, whats so wrong with the 4a?? again i don't have a probelm with your all's opinion, why would you care about mine so much? stop being so pussy hurt and get over it. any motor u pick is the right one..

 

what's yer opinion on a te72 with a 1uz?