harley guys die as well as sport guys i've been on both sides of the fence and they are a blast the point i was makin is alot of these guys you here about are young and have not rode much then they go and get on a race bike most of these "crotchrockets" have profiles of competetion motorcycles which is what we the consumer want but not necessarly what a new rider belongs on out of my friends that ride it seems in general the ones that learned on dirt bikes or small regular motors develop slowley into great riders capable of ridin a busa or a 954 to what it is worth with minimal risk and the guys that just hop on these performance bikes think they know whats up then they go down there is No substitute for expeirence that is my point.