very true, i can take all the jokes thrown out there cuz most of em are hilarious...but i know where i stand, i love em cuz they have been reliable, decently quick, easy to work on, and parts for them are everywhere....ill take the decently quick one back lmao...but no they are not bad when done right, but the ones who slap an intake on it an think they have a racecar are the ones who really tick me off.