I dont doubt the tubular made more power, my sarcasm was on the completely mismatched setup, like you said, they took the shittiest manifold they could create, and compared it to their $1200 ? piece. When I see a back to back for a stock manifold, maybe ported ? vs their manifold, on a similar engine, but with a 2871, or 3076R, and it make a 20+ hp difference, i'll recognize it as an upgrade, but still wouldnt run one. I'm pretty certain that 3076R with the housing for the tial wastegate, which doesnt require the cut down wheel like the 3071R T25 flange version, on a stock S15 manifold, would more than keep me happy for a daily driver setup. Hell a 2871R 52T with that exhaust housing and greddy install kit would do it too

Ah hell, theres technical discussion going on around here. Someone needs to hurry up and change stuff back to shitty suspension arms, and how the less offset you have, the cooler your wheels are, no matter the width.