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Originally posted by WRX
actually your full blown Cisco stuff is still very very tough to get.. the fact is.. a trained monkey can get MCP/MCSE .. i havent ever bothered.. i know what i know.. and i prefer to let my experience tel the tale.. ima Lotus Notes Engineer.. and i dont have my CLP or anything.. but i work int he top team in the largest lotus notes environment in the world.. so experience counts 
I have been doing this for 7 years. I plan on at least getting a second level CISCO cert. CCNA is for chimps really....equaly to MCP but more diffuicult than MCSE in my eyes.