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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lancerman
Sorry I didnt explain it clearly. wasted spark doesnt happen at BDC. It happens at TDC at the end of exhaust stroke. its not burn gasses being expelled but an ignitable mixture since there was a mis fire (no fire) . The exhaust stroke doesnt empty cylinder completely and at top of exhaust stroke there is enough fuel/air to be ignited. as piston goes down on intake stroke more ignitable gas/air enters chamber. but it enters into a chamber that is burning. The piston is traveling down bore on intake stroke but the mixture entering chamber is burning at same time. there is no exhaust valve open this round when the piston is traveling back up bore. it is now compression stroke time. the hot expanded gases are very hard to compress. the piston end pushes rod down on its end and crank is pushing up from other side . rod is very easy to bend like this. pre ignition is far more damaging then detonation. it happens much quicker and is harder to detect because there will be no knock noise. detonation happens when pistons are at or very near TDC. the crank pin is not in a position to be rotated so the compression usually lifts head and blows gasket. when that happens there is no real stress on the rod. it is in its strongest position and the lifting head releases the excessive compression. pistons get hurt and rod bearing get beat on but rods survive just fine. hope that clears it up a little better for you.
I understand the differences between detonation and pre-ignition. I do see what your saying about air/fuel entering into a cylinder that is burning w/unburnt fuel left over from an misfire, if this happened on pump 93 octane id agree all night long, but I was told this happened on Ethanol, which is a little far-fetched to believe, also I wasnt aware there was any misfires when the tune was conducted on E85. I cannot see ethanol pre-igniting just because of the properties of the fuel itself. If we both take a look and compare everything what were saying together, I think we'd both agree whomever tuned the car did do a shitty job. Id love to take a look at the AFRs, timing maps that was done on the run the motor died. The tricky thing about tuning on ethanol is you CAN GET AWAY with so much, so much where it can be detrimental to your motor. The omplete opposite can be said o tuning on 93 octane...you will find your limits very quickly on gasoline before you know it you will find the knock threshold where timing and boost just dont want to "be friends" any longer.

P.S. Jerry how do you like that dsmlink so far? Im assuming your running V3? Going mitsu maf, gm maf-t or SD?
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