I couldnt find any specific place to post about upholstery stuff so i'm posting it here looking for help. I dont have hog rings or hog ring pliers. I dont think the hardware store sells either of those. I want to remove the flaps under my seat so the pan is more exposed to clean it up, it has light surface rust like most seats and the flaps are held snug by hog rings. Is there someway I can do this saving the ones I remove maybe by flattening them out after bending them with regular pliers but hen putting them back is the problem. Hate to spend money on something I will probally use once by ordering the rings and pliers online.