Originally Posted by
CharlieMurphy
Can you give me some links showing how much "more energy" it takes to get the hydrogen seperated from the oxygen?
Ive looked into building a small hydrogen kit for my vehicle, and it didnt seem overly difficult, nor did it seem to use an exorbenant amount of electricity to do so. From what my limited brain capacity can understand, all you need to do is run a wire from your alternator to the hydrogen cell, then run a line from the cell to your IM or intake tube. You can buy these kits for 200 bucks, or just build your own for about 100. People have been seeing increases of 10mpg on small home-built kits...
There is so much info on the subject if you Google it that it makes your head spin
First off we need to distinguish 2 different uses of hydrogen, HHO as an addon to gasoline or diesel ICE to improve fuel efficiency, vs. ICE that just burns H2 as the only energy source.
My remarks were towards H2 as in Terminator's Hummer or new BMW 7 series. These are technically possible , but not economically sustainable since they require huge external energy source to extract and compress H2, bottom line becomes way too expensive with negative return on investment. Negative return doesn't stop NASA to send shuttles in space or any government project for that matter since they spend someone else's money
, but try to apply this to everyday common needs of millions of people and it falls apart like a house of cards.
As for HHO that you want to put in your car, I think it can improve your MPG, but not because of energy coming from HHO gas since you will always spend more energy making HHO than burning it ( see first law of thermodynamics ), but because you are manipulating fuel mixture and other ICE parameters that MAY make it more efficient and it lets you recover some of 75% of energy that normally goes to heat to actually propel the car further, thus increasing MPG.
However, you don't just slap a jar with electrodes and call it a day, you have to calculate lots of parameters and make changes to ECU program that controls fuel injection and make sure you don't kill your alternator with extra 20amps, etc. etc. When approached holistically and scientifically you can benefit from it, BUT don't call it what it isn't, its not making your car run on water.
What kills these claims and brings scammers into it is that they make claims of running on water, when they are just making more efficient use of gasoline, which IMHO should be done by OEM car makers in the first place.
If you read dozens and dozens of HHO reports like I did, you will see a pattern. Best results are from old carburator ICEs and old clunkers that waste gas to begin with and need tuning anyway, while worst results are from modern fuel injection ICEs that are already optimized as is.
So, bottom line, HHO falls into ICE optimization category I mentioned in previous posts and have nothing to do with hydrogen myths.
Hope this makes sense, and sorry for long winded post
