Algae based oil is the great solution, no doubt, but everything I read about it shows that its still in lab/development stage, there aren't any commercial plants yet, maybe I missed the info, I'd love to see a link if you got one. And it also doesn't address the smog issue since algae diesel would make smog just the same.

I would put an algae based plant behind my house today if I could buy the kit.

As for charge plugs and meters, its the easiest part technology wise and it will create local jobs and make local power companies grow which makes more jobs, instead of feeding oil producing nations, all while making people breathe easier in the city.

 

There is so much info on the subject if you Google it that it makes your head spin

First off we need to distinguish 2 different uses of hydrogen, HHO as an addon to gasoline or diesel ICE to improve fuel efficiency, vs. ICE that just burns H2 as the only energy source.

My remarks were towards H2 as in Terminator's Hummer or new BMW 7 series. These are technically possible , but not economically sustainable since they require huge external energy source to extract and compress H2, bottom line becomes way too expensive with negative return on investment. Negative return doesn't stop NASA to send shuttles in space or any government project for that matter since they spend someone else's money , but try to apply this to everyday common needs of millions of people and it falls apart like a house of cards.

As for HHO that you want to put in your car, I think it can improve your MPG, but not because of energy coming from HHO gas since you will always spend more energy making HHO than burning it ( see first law of thermodynamics ), but because you are manipulating fuel mixture and other ICE parameters that MAY make it more efficient and it lets you recover some of 75% of energy that normally goes to heat to actually propel the car further, thus increasing MPG.

However, you don't just slap a jar with electrodes and call it a day, you have to calculate lots of parameters and make changes to ECU program that controls fuel injection and make sure you don't kill your alternator with extra 20amps, etc. etc. When approached holistically and scientifically you can benefit from it, BUT don't call it what it isn't, its not making your car run on water.

What kills these claims and brings scammers into it is that they make claims of running on water, when they are just making more efficient use of gasoline, which IMHO should be done by OEM car makers in the first place.

If you read dozens and dozens of HHO reports like I did, you will see a pattern. Best results are from old carburator ICEs and old clunkers that waste gas to begin with and need tuning anyway, while worst results are from modern fuel injection ICEs that are already optimized as is.

So, bottom line, HHO falls into ICE optimization category I mentioned in previous posts and have nothing to do with hydrogen myths.

Hope this makes sense, and sorry for long winded post

 

I know a guy in Ohio who has two drag bikes and a rail that are electric. So if you have any technical questions I suppose that I could be persuaded to pass them on.

One thing about the batteries in the electric vehicles... Shawn (the guy who owns the dragsters) was testing the rail about a week ago and the batteries started sparking and pretty much blew up. Burnt incredibly hot and they had trouble putting it out because whatever was in the batteries apparently could produce it's own oxygen, which is an incredibly bad thing. Burnt the rail to the ground pretty much.

They haven't figured out what caused it yet, but it's something to think about if you are getting into electric racing. But the upside is that electric motors can make a car damn fast, that one ran 9s in the 1/4 using two 10hp electric motors. And his second drag bike can supposedly spin the wheels at 160. I'm not sure how many runs that charge could last, he plugs the dragsters in after every run just to make sure he has a full charge.

 

that just doesn't show any appeal to me. You can't travel at the speed of traffic and you can only go 50 miles until the battery is dead and that's before the batter deteriorates to hold less of a charge...
you need to start a thread discussing the pros and cons of it. I don't want to bash or anything but a healthy debate would be fun..

as far as the local guys, no, there isn't that big of a following as it is so so so expensive to build an electric car that will do even a 12 second 1/4 mile. Its not like you can just buy a bigger better carb and slap it on your mustang or throw 3 grand at a 240 and up the boost...