Yeah, you should know right from wrong at 17 at 18. In fact you should know it on that basis in elementary school. But i think it's pretty obvious that something was very fucked up during the heavy developemental period in which of course goes back to the parents. Not letting them off the hook of course because they're responsible for their own actions. But i'll also bet you these incidents that made the news were not the first time these kids fucked up. I'm sure it was treated with a simple slap on the wrist in a way it just didn't register to them properly. Because i'm sure you don't go from little Johnny perfect to Johnny the axe murderer......


So yeah, i'd say parents are ultimately to blame. Can't place it on them once they're grown up but more or less i could only assume they fucked up some where.


I was a belt child myself and i've managed not to kill anyone thus far lol. Don't forget the good ol' fashion switch....And never bring back something to big or too small and anger them lol. But on another note, i know plenty of people who's parents weren't a part of the spanking crowd but have great values as well, so there's obviously more then one way to get r done, but there's don't seem to be all too effective.