firing order is fine, and the timing is fine. i went to real speed and had the car checked out. we adjusted the tps down a tad and the timing was at 14. right after i drove the car and it ran fine for the most part, it surged once for a second, but it was fine. now the damn car does it about every other time i drive the damn thing. i will just have real speed do their kind of diagnostic check. i just replaced the pcv valve and screen today, didnt help at all. thanks for your help guys, i will ring back in next time i can get down to real speed. again thanks for all your help, especially dr dirt