I'm through explaining the truth to all you guys who are in denial. I had a friend with I/H/E with a tune, on an S2K, run a 11.8s in the quarter. You people are a joke, I can't believe you know nothing about these cars. I completely understand you can make any car fast with the right amount of money. I'm just saying an S2k is far better platform than a 4G63 equipped car to modify. If you look at the whole package, the F20C is a far better engine. It has 9000rpm rev limit, 240bhp, high compression, VTEC, and is a great sounding motor. The 4G63 just has a turbo, but that doesn't make it as fast as an S2k. Power to weight ratio people. The Eclipse/Talon weighs hundreds of pounds more than the S2K. For the guy who said you can't hit 13s stock, anybody can if they can drive. The S2K is a low 13s car from the factory. If you are not trapping above or around 100mph something is very wrong with your car. There must be some reason why we see more fast boosted S2Ks than turbo Eclipses. Coincidence? I think not.